Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
this mr moulder did he have a side kick called scully.?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
The Planning officers have not changed their minds, but I interpreted "If they use it as a pharmacy, then they need planning permission" to mean that the Pharmacy could not be operated/opened until permission had been granted. I did not think that it meant that he can open and operate it until a decision is made and then if it is refused, he must have it taken away.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Unfortunatly planning officers are a funny breed(not all)
Having served on the committee for a year I got to know how they work(I could use stronger words, but it would probably end up in court)
let me give you an example.
An application came in on the Folkestone Road(I wont name it, but those that know the area will probably identify it, but pls thats not what this post is about)
The most senior planning officer made his recommendation that it should be refused, unlike other cllrs i questioned the officers view, stating that to refuse the application, the 2 houses in question will remain a drug den, should the application go through the houses will go, and the place look much brighter.
I asked at the very least could the cllrs visit the area, they did so, public attended, i put forward exactly the same view as i had at the planning committee.
The then chair of planning asked the senior officer(who remember told the committee they must refuse this application)
how can we pass this application.
Quite unbelievably the same senior officer gave the chairperson ways to pass the application!!!!!!!
Today the drug den has gone, the area is brighter, and thankfully the application went through.
But thats just a small insight into the planning dept
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Turning into an interesting thread, as usual the finger pointing and buck passing at DDC is highlighted, officers blaming councillers and vice versa, one party blaming another. This is the root of the problem for me, nobody appears to be accountable.
Further evidence of how shambolic DDC planning is, if they cant agree whether a portacabin should stay or go its hardly a surprise they are so inept when it comes to bigger projects.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
if only things were that simple david, planning regulations are a minefield as evidenced by roger's experience with getting two different answers to the same question.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Howard, I'm not saying its simple but lets look at the situation.
A man has sited a portacabin, not Burlington House or the 02 Arena, and DDC (I dont care if its officers or councillors) dont have a clue what to do about it.
DDC in various guises are all over this forum, as politicians and public servants they are accountable to the general public, not the other way round, they should stop whining and get on with what taxpayers pay them to do, which in the case of DDC is very little.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
- Posts: 6,950
"The story of Rosemary, Michele Hanson's friend, and her problems with the neighbour's extension is the shape of things to come if the government has its way in allowing extensions without planning permission (G2, 27 November). Can I urge readers to protest against this ludicrous scheme? The consultation ends on 24 December. Reach the document through
www.gov.uk/government/consultations and search for "extending permitted development rights".
Maureen Panton
Malvern, Worcestershire"
The links to the background story and to the consultation can be accessed here...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2012/nov/28/extension-dissensionIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
that attitude is what drives them away david, roger in particular does the work of 3 councillors in my ward, copies me in on his correspondence in my role as local busy body - cannot do anymore.
digs at him and others will simply mean that they will stop posting, perhaps you should aim your fire at those who not put their head over the parapet?
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Well this is the problem Howard, people put themselves up for election because they believe they can make a difference for the better, they're very happy to take plaudits and pose for photographs but don't want accountability or flak.
I have to ask, if it is Officers who take the decisions what is the role of the councillors?
As I said to you recently, its probably best if I give the forum a miss for a while. I'd like nothing more than for DDC to come back at me and say here:
We've completed DTIZ, we've built a cable car, we've developed Farthingloe, Western Heights, the Marina and regenerated the town, all the things we promised, stuff you Little!
But all we get is hot air, excuses and squabbles over portacabins in Folkestone Road.
Says it all.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
The fault is entirely with the applicant and I am sure if DDC try to take any legal proceedings they will just be thrown out as there is a planning application is in progress and they should just await the outcome. It was only submitted last month and to be decided next month, seems a reasonable timescale to me..
None of us know the full facts so to keep attacking Roger and DDC over it is totally out of order !!
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Why is it out or order Paul?
I pay council tax and business rates, I contribute to DDC funds, surely it is my right, some may say duty, to question their motives and actions.
Its about transparency, is the gentleman acquainted with any officers or councillors? Keith alludes earlier to who should be making the decision as opposed to who really is.
My position is I don't care whether it stays or goes, I rarely go to Folkestone Road, to me it simply highlights the inept way DDC operates.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
david
i have had dealings with many of ddc officers and councillors and have found that if you talk to them nicely they will respond in kind, after all they are only human beings like the rest of us.
constant criticism forces people to go into their shell.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Interesting that you call it constant criticism Howard, at DDC there is a big plan on the wall outlining all the wonderful things they're going to do..........they simply bring it upon themselves.
Now we have a thread because DDC has it knickers in a twist over a portacabin. I'll judge them on what they do not by how nice they are.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I don't think DDC has "it knickers in a twist over a portacabin" - it's people on here !!!
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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david
we all know about the plans on various walls i am talking about personal critcism that is unjustified.
every big organisation has artists impressions/architects drawings etc about hoped for projects, i have seen enough presentations from dhb and am sure that china gateway will have their walls covered with their dream of the western heights and farthingloe.
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 595
After all my e-mails and Rogers etc, I have at last had an acknowlegement, just to say it had been passed to Paul Francis, senior investigation officer, no other information.
Howard,
It is not fair to say Roger is doing the work of three councillors, this is not the case, Sue Jones is working in the ward as well, and is hot on the case, Roger is on planning, Sue isn't, but is still on the case, Diane unfortunately is very sick and unable do do her bit, which I am sure if she was well enough, would also be baggering the authorities
I can understand where David Little is coming from, we are an elected body and answerable to the electorate, the officers are employees, they recommend to the councillors what to do, but at the end of the day it should be down to the elected bodies decision
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I for one am glad that there are a lot of ideas on the drawing board and talks are still ongoing - some would rather DDC went away and stopped having ambitions, but Dover has been heading downwards for too long and needs ideas to try and revive itself. Sit back and empty the bins really isn't going to save the area from more deprivatation....
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
I guess we'll agree to disagree but I maintain I haven't personally abused anybody, despite being accused of negativity by people who have never got off their arses.
You may think DDC administer the area well, I happen to think they are poor, I have evidence which is not for a public forum which certain others have knowledge of.
Portacabins, cable cars, regeneration blah blah blah its just a load of talking heads and egos, if they think thats abusive they should get a proper job and let someone else waste a load of money on another set of pipedreams.
Enjoy the forum.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Incidentally, if everyone at DDC was like Sue Jones we'd be better off, she works tirelessly on all sorts of things and doesn't require the ego massaging of some.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
you can certainly can dish it out david accusing people of sitting around and doing nothing when you really have no idea what they get up to.
a look at the "opening day of our new market" thread shows roger making a perfectly normal comment in post 21 and you then turn on him in post 22.
you know pefectly well that the cable car hold up/cancellation is nothing to do with ddc but is over the future ownership of the port.