Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW
Kent Miners were illegally stopped at the Dartford Tunnel by orders from Thatcher. The police Superintendent that received those orders and implemented them, has now retired and gone on record to state that he knew it was an illegal act.
Many hundreds of miners were illegally arrested, imprisoned and sacked, me being one of them.
All of which will be revealed in time
So you have no right to quote the rule of law at me.
You really cannot see or comprehend how much damage was done to so many decent miners, their families and their communities through wanting to crush a handful of despots.
You will never justify the closing of an industry just to defeat one or two despots.
I could liken you and others like you, to many despots that over the years have started wars and killed millions of innocent people with their misguided idealism's.
Your right about some work still to do, keep your eye on the Orgreave Enquiry.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Keith Sansum1
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gary c
well done for keeping up the attempt to enlighten our alexander 2
but im afraid hes unlikely to see the real world
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Have to agree Keith, he is in a 80's time warp
Audere est facere.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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There is a big difference between closing a pit which has reached the end of its life and closing an industry which is opperating at peak production with a product that is still in demand. Go figure.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC - so why did they try to go through the Dartford Tunnel? To join the mob of thugs trying to bully and intimidate working miners into stopping work, that's why. It was morally right that they were stopped.
As I said we just have to be glad the thugs lost.
I am quite sure that a great many miners deserved to be sacked and/or arrested for their behaviour.
Yes - a great deal of damage was done and you can blame Scargill and all those who supported that illegal strike for that.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW
We were legally going to talk to our fellow miners in our south midlands area, to tell them of the lies that was being told to them.
The reason they illegally stopped us, was because 2 pits joined the strike following talks with us in their canteen.
Thatcher was scared we would get all pits in our area out on strike, so she illegally stopped us leaving Kent.
Remember what you keep spouting about Tax avoidance, if its legal we have no right to challenge it, the strike was legal so get over it.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC - 'talk' to them, of course....... We know what that really means. You were stopped - good for the police.
Brian Dixon
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barry believe what you read here not from any where else.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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No BarryW I am not a thug, neither were the others, we were invited into their canteen and we talked to them, a civilised conversation with a canteen pie and cuppa tea.
Of course you can have your opinions but If you cannot accept the truth, then please don't ask me any more questions.
As much as I want the truth to be known, other forum members must be fed up with me keep repeating myself because you won't listen.
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Jan Higgins
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You will never convince the inconvincible.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No Jan I will never be convinced that there was anything to be gained from allowing the Unions to continue their destruction of the British economy. The victory over the miners was an essential part of bringing them to heel.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 110...absolutely true...but not on this one subject but the majority.....
His views of posters who do not ...hold his views are insulting,rude,narcissistic,superior,etc,etc.
The terminology he uses are indicative of how other right wing extremists have used in our past.....
eg......``essential part of bringing them to heel.``...............................
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Pot = kettle = Reg, left wing extremist.....
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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gocompare.com................................
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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As I know both Reg and Barry personally, I know that neither of them is the bigot that some of their posts would imply. Strange how people's behaviour changes when behind a steering wheel, supermarket trolley or computer keyboard. We're all guilty of it to a degree, of course.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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All this talk of Maggie closing the pits is somewhat ridiculous really. Under any government today, be it Labour, liverlillied or conservative, the pits would eventually close anyway because of the targets dictated by the climate change act. Same closures just different reasons for their closure.
Go back to the eighties and imagine the coal strike started as a result of mass closures due to saving the planet. How much support would there be from the left if that were the reason? The left is up to their chins in greenwash and the climate cult which is one of their top priorities in terms of manifesto pledges. I suspect those who marched to save the pits would find themselves marching to close them regardless of the impact on the mining communities built up over generations. Surely any self respecting left winger today cannot possibly justify the remaining pits to carry on operating. To do so puts into question not only their logic but their sanity to boot.
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Of course this applies to those of any political persuasion.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"Coal in the UK - 2012
The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations.
Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year's amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.)
Coal-fired power stations provided 41% of the UK's electricity (gas 26%, nuclear 20%, others (including renewables) 13%).
(Source - DECC statistics)
UK Coal Imports
Coal is therefore a fundamental component of the UK's energy mix, and around three quarters of the nation's requirements are imported.
CoalImp - the Association of Coal Importers - believes that imported coal complements indigenous supply as a secure and essential part of the UK energy balance. Coal resources are plentiful, distributed more evenly around the globe than oil or gas, and coal is capable of being transported and stored safely."
http://www.coalimp.org.uk/3.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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And what is ironic, no scandalous Tom, is the UK's largest coal fired power station Drax is now importing wood pellets from the USA via freighter to burn in order to produce energy and are doing away with coal completely.
Stark.
Staring.
Bonkers.
Those decc figures are slightly disingenuous as they list others with renewables as 13% of national output. The true figure for rewnewables falls roughly in the 3-4% territory.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Philip do work on the grid ?
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Gary-promise that you will never stop telling everyone just how it was in the 80's. The truth needs to be told about government sponsored illegal police tactics and behaviour(hammering their riot shields like Zulu warriors etc), inflammatory journalists ( I know one who used to hand out cash to promote violence)-all part of the ghastly government plan.
There is no doubt that there was unacceptable behaviour to some degree from the union side-but what do you expect with conditions and jobs at stake. Thatcher as a part of her anti union agenda had been instructing the coal board to stock pile coal long before she decided to incite the miner's strike.
There were no thugs-just angry people trying to preserve employment and their way of life.
Never give up...