howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i love it when you get angry lesley!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Lesley get over it. Labour actually closed more mines than Mrs T, beside mine closures was just an excuse.
Scargill was a politically motivated extremist who used the miners for his political ends in the same way the WW1 generals were accused of using troops but for a far more ignominious purpose.
Scargill was so determined to go to war on the government he called the strike illegally with no national ballot only local regional ballots and then turned his thugs on those who voted against him.
The miners were the bullying rioting thugs trying to intimidate decent working miners into not working.
The Unions, as a whole, needed to be cut down to size because they were destroying British industry.
I am proud, very proud, to have supported Mrs T over those years. The Conservative came to power to save this country and did it.
She did what needed to be done and we are all, yes even you, are better off because of it in spite of those recent terrible 13 years of economic destruction we had up to 2010.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
- Posts: 727
Ok.
A working miner cut my brother-in-laws brake pipes, he admitted it.
A working miner fired a twelve bore shotgun at a group of Brownies on a nature walk outside his home on a public highway, he was not prosecuted.
A working miner stole clothing donated by wellwishers to the miners and sold them at a local bootfair.
A working miner loosened the wheel nuts on my husbands car, causing it to crash.
A working miners wife rang an elderly lady and informed her that her husband had been killed whilst on picket duty, this was a lie.
A striking miner, the youngest miner in the kent coalfield, was arrested while walking down the street, not near anything remotely connected with the strike, and was humiliated in such a degrading manner by the police, bitten on his shoulder ( try to do it to yourself it's impossible) and when evidence was produced the judicial system "lost it ".
I could go on, but Barry has hearing difficulties.
I have always said that there was right and wrong on both sides. Sadly others do not have the insight to accept the truth, there is still so much which has been hidden and probably will not see the light of day in my lifetime.
Grrr!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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most of us of a certain age can remember the t.v. pictures of nottinghamshire miners gloating at the pickets when being escorted to and from work.
like all collaborators they done ok for a while but when their use was no longer needed their pits were closed like all the others.
30 pieces of silver doesn't last very long.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Barry, how dare you tell me to "get over it".
How can you possibly know the impact this incident had on my family? I consider you comment to be offensive.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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David.
I have moved on in many ways.
I work very closely with many tories and get on with them very well.
The strike was only a small part of our mining history here in Kent with the miners and their families having the most impact on our communities and the whole story needs to be told and remembered.
BarryW has it right about Scargill and the others but he has not got a clue about Kent Miners and I no longer take any notice about the nonsense he writes about them. He is simply a shadow of a man alongside all those brave miners who lost their lives working in our pits.
No one would have scrubbed his back for him, even if he had the gumption to take on such a dangerous job.
See you at the festival
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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WELL SAID LESLEY
lovely post
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Lesley Ives wrote:Barry, how dare you tell me to "get over it".
How can you possibly know the impact this incident had on my family? I consider you comment to be offensive.
Easily - get over it - this was 20 odd years ago. I have no idea what your family went through and perhaps if they had the sense to ignore the Scargill thugs and go to work thing might have been better for them.
I will not excuse any wrongdoings by working miners either. Two wrongs do not make a right but what you do not reference to is why they retaliated and what the working miners went though.
At the end of the day you have to judge this by the cause being fought over. Your family clearly chose the wrong side. Scargill had to be beaten for the good of the country. He was beaten and we are all the better for it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Lesley
you are wasting your time attempting to get through barryw hes just not able to see the big picture.
Many of us saw all of what went on that time
Lesley outlines just a small part of it
but of course some like a barry don't wish to see the truth
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Actually Keith - it is the big picture I see. You have it the wrong way round.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think the combined garyc Lesley posts give a clearer picture
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I refer to the national interest and the matter of right and wrong Keith. No-one with any historical perspective can possibly suggest Scargill was in the right or that the country would have benefited if he won. Lesley should blame Scargill for the way he used the miners for his own ends - even Gary C suggested I am right about him.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Garyc and Lesley have stated in there posts that scargill didn't get it right as I have,
but what happened in that year wasn't right from lots of different angles
including maggie
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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She did what was right and what was needed for the benefit of the country. From the national and historical perspective she had the right priorities while GaryC, Lesley (and you) chose the wrong side, simple.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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graphs, statistics, politics etc nothing about the effects on peoples lives.
it is crystal clear that lesley and gary did not "choose the wrong side" they were merely victims of the twin evils of scargill and thatcher.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It is all about people's lives Howard. All of our lives are better because Scargill was beaten. Of course they chose the wrong side, they chose Scargill over democracy, the law and common sense. Mrs T was right, did the right thing and you, yes you - should be grateful too her along with the rest of the country.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Maggie was a political pigmy, unable to inspire and manage the bounty of north sae gas and oil revenues into Industrialization and the Infrastructure of Briton
Mismanagement on a grand scale,
To arrogant to go direct to the hart of the working man
Churchill could inspirer a nation across all party lines, and class
Maggie would need to stand on her fathers shoulders just to kiss Churchillhs ass
Your own party sacked her Barry because she couldn't do the job
ERM and all that
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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keith b
thanks for reminding barry that Maggie was hounded out of office by her own people
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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A shameful act against the greatest Prime Minister of the 20th century. Keith really is getting so desperate in post 57.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,883
Maggie was kicked out because she got to big for her boots, some of her previous supporters were glad to see the back of her.
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