Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Richard - you need to accept that the Unions were out of control monsters and Scargill was the worse of them. He was the one out for confrontation right from 1979 for political reasons. Mrs T did what was right and only what was right for the country in respect of the Unions.
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barry
And she destroyed British industrial business at the same time , the baby went out with the bath water
And she sold of the family silver to her rich friends
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No Keith - that was done by the Unions.
The old heavy industrials had to compete in the world, they were beset by restrictive practices, militant unionsism and sustained only by massive subsidies. The subsidies had to end, the state owned ones needed to be privatised to then compete, sink or swim. It just could not carry on the way it was on the 70's and before.
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It is certainly much easier to blame Scargill, so easy that it hardly ever seems worthwhile searching out the least truth.
The problematic-path trodden by industry, and in its industrial relations, in the UK was certainly one thing, it was a peculiarly British problem.
And that particular problem has not gone away.
There was no drive to modernise and compete internationally. The coming-together, the unity that was forced upon the people of these islands, and which was taken-up with some vigour by those same people, had to go.
Such unity of purpose was thoroughly Democratic...and that single issue was quickly identified and systematically dealt with.
But, why deal with the actuality when people can so easily be led into thinking only about today, and then easily berated for not thinking enough of the future.
All of which (rather successfully) keeps everybody so busy that there is a ready welcome for rhetoric to replace reality in all things 'history'.
But...
This politics-ping-pong gets nobody anywhere (another success).
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1
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110 hits the nail on the head,
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gary c most posters like your posts the truth as it happened for one who was heavily involved within the dispute, I. and others welcome your contributions.
Peter g
saying hello/goodbye makes you a good friend to one of the two you mentioned that's nice
Richard;
There are of course, other stories, im sure garyc will inform further on
police waving payslips at strikers
miners sacked for taking one step over a painted line
list goes on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Richard.
#120 I want to tell the whole story of the Kent Miner, from when it started to present day. I actually started writing a new thread over a year ago now as I thought it might make an interesting thread for some. I did not go ahead with it because I cannot mention miners without getting politically attacked and the truth is, politics is the last thing I want to talk about.
To tell the true story, politics will have to be included.
However, if I write the thread, it will be about mining in Kent with the emphasis on our heritage and it will not be a juvenile political bashing thread.
Do any forum members want me to start a non political bashing, Kent Miners thread and learn the truth?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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all rather coincidental gary i was about to post this on another thread, a good idea to start a thread on kent's mining heritage.
Jan Higgins
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That is a good idea Gary, I doubt if the majority of those outside the mining community know very much about the actual history of the Kent miners and their pits .
Maybe Howard could delete any "political bashing" posts if they appear so we just keep to the history and any questions there might be.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Agree with Jan.......please do it Gary.....
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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go for it garyc
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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good idea jan, should gary start such a thread then strictly no politics, stuff like that will be deleted.
we have plenty of other threads.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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There is a small difficulty on politics as garyc said does (did) play a part and will be difficult to avoid
will be interesting how the thread developes
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Howard.
With respect, there will be plenty of politics and views, for or against, no problem with that and I will try to stick to plain facts as much as I can and answer any questions,
I just don't want it reduced to tit for tat playground politics.
It will be a long time before I get to the strike anyway and hopefully by then people with have a better insight as to what it was like to be a Miner here in Kent.
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Gary-I look forward to it.
Never give up...
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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so do i
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Courtesy Independent............
The real cost of benefits squeeze: £1,600 per family
Devastating research finds only one in eight households facing cuts will be able to find work
Welfare cuts that are meant to get the jobless back to work are driving down the living standards
of hundreds of thousands of people who are in no position to find a job, an assessment of the
Coalition's welfare reforms says today.
Researchers, who have used data to forecast what will happen to the 1.18 million households
where no one works, have calculated that 155,000 (roughly one in eight) can mitigate the effect
of the cuts by finding work near their home, while another 115,000 will have the opportunity
to move to more affordable housing. The rest - more than three-quarters of the total - will simply
see their incomes drop, according to an independent study carried out for the Local Government
Association by the Centre for Economic and Social Inclusion.
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My mother-in -law is widowed and disabled and her son is her carer.
An EDF rep called last week to say under new Gov scheme, she could have a new boiler, for free, if she received Pension Credits.
I just went online to fill in a form for her and it came back saying she was not entitled to PC, because she has someone living with her.
Call free number if you have questions.
The nice lady gave me the same answer, mother would have to live alone to get PC.
So I asked her" if her son who is her carer was to leave the house , would she get PC?
Yes was the reply.
Q. Who would then look after her, I inquired?
A. Well she would get and extra £59 per week, for her to pay for taxis etc.
Q. And who would wash her, get her dressed and help her to get in the taxi?
A. Erm.
At that point I put the phone down.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The real cost of benefits squeeze:hits 1.6 million households...........millions of people involved......
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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looking grim
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Miners at drift mine being laid off as falling price of coal and council red tape to blame
One of Wales' last major drift mines is laying miners off and is blaming a local council for "delays in delivering planning consents" as part of the problem.
Neath MP Peter Hain told WalesOnline today: "I have been called by Richard Nugent who told me that men were being laid off because of delays from Neath Port Talbot County Council in delivering planning consents necessary to give confidence for new investment.
"This is deeply disappointing and I have asked that every effort is made to resolve the problems urgently.
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