Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Jan I told her we will find her a safe Labour seat next time,say hello to her from me when you see next and my old friend Gloria
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Brian it didn't cut anything. My attention span was insufficient to cope with it. To paraphrase Dr Johnson: it was both good and original. But the part that was good was not original; and the part that was original was not good.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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good to see a mention of the great doctor johnson peter.
do you have his telephone number, just that i am having trouble with my farmer giles?
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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One of the Indie who took a seat of the Tories in Thanet was Jack Cohen once I believe of Dover
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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peter,the news report ? came from barryw faverite news center sky.as he qoutes its not biased.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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You can defend it all you like, I still consider it incoherent babble.
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Keith Sansum1
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One thing i did forget in my long posting was that of the alliance, the party locally that said it was for Dover and doesn't believe in alliance candidates standing in district elections, fielded candidates in dover d council elections.
we also then have the tories who stated that they have a policy of not standidates in the local town council elections
even though the tories have done in Deal town council for many years and more recently stood candidates in dover.
we will have to assume from this that the local conservatives now believe in making the town council political
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Town council has been political ever since candidates were put forward under the Labour banner. I don't think parish councils should be party-political but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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My view is, that, owing to the upcoming cuts in Council budgets, great austerity measures will be introduced.
The authorities will become stricter, people will become harder, lights will go out at 10 PM
, one ration of porridge will be served at school dinner
, dog-owners will be given a hard time
, and offenders dragged to the Council office by town-wardens.
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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I for one have absolutely no interest in your view. Every single time you post it seems you're retreating further into your own little world. The majority of what you write is absolute drivel not even worth the reading.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith
As far as I am aware, the Dover and Deal Conservtive Party do not have a policy of putting up candidates for Dover Town Council, but if anyone wants to stand for Town Council, they will not be dissuaded from doing so.
Of course Peter G is right, the Town Council has always been political, since there's been Labour Town Councillors.
A few years ago, the precept went up by 29% in one year; since the Indies/Dover Alliance have been there, it's gone up hardly at all, so prudence can work, if given the chance.
Full steam ahead for working for Dover Town - it started last year, hope it continues in a stronger vein this year.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ROGER;
Barryw has always said tories do not believe in having tory candidates in the town/parish elections.
yet here we are seeing tories standing in deal for years
and more recently in dover.
i understand your view point on labour standing candidates, but i was saying the conservatives have said on here they do not support tories standing for town council, yet here we are at every election we are seeing conservative managed and agreed tory candidates by the local tory party.
either you don't agree with it or you do
please make up your mind do these candidates have tory backing or not
if they do then all barryw's postings meant nothing.
i will wait further for an alliance reply
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - you have continiously misrepresented this issue.
During my Association chairmanship and before there was a policy decision not to put up candidates for Dover Town Council which, while not a matter for the association as a whole was one followed by Dover Branch. Deal Branch and many parish branches had a different view and did put up candidates as was their right.
It was and is my view that party politics is not relevant at Town Council and I remain of that opinion. While chairman and before that was also the view of the majority of Dover branch.
When Roger Frayne became Association chairman after me he decided he wanted to stand for Dover Town as a Conservative and won the backing of the Dover Branch to do so and the policy was changed.
What you do not seem to grasp Keith is the idea of localised decision making and that every Branch can have the freedom to decide for itselfl. This is actually one of the big differences between Conservative and Labour thinking.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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further roger;
any cuncil tax or spending increases is because the labour party still has outright control and put forward as low or no increases nothing to do with the aliance
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Seen in the Town yesterday the Tories and the Alliance Town Councillors all having a cuppa at the same time in the same cafe,bet they just bumped into each other,or is there going to be an alliance between the Alliance and the Tories.
There is always a group of people talking about deals being done in the Labour Group,which is not always the case but it seems as if we are not alone,let me guess did the subject of Mayor and Committees come up.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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john;
your not surely only just coming to realise the alliance is being seen as a 2nd tory party, and seeing candidates go from alliance to tory tells it's own story.
being upfront and honest about it seems to come that much harder.
you will be aware john i pointed out some time ago the recruitment for the alliance being done by people who are saying to everyone they are non political.
it has moved on from there to today, and realy the alliance had a disaster in the local elections in dover, only actually winning 2 seats the other 2 given to them
im sure that wont happen next time.
i'm baffled john that you feel this to be a new thing, and certainly those subjects you post on will have been raised, as well as what went wrong when the tories didnt stand in town and pier to give the alliance a clear run.
lot's gone on john, just watch how the voting goes now on town council
with alliance and tories will be interesting
how they distance themselves from each other(or will they???)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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will the new town council reach agreement with the district council over the issue of the toilets, or will the petty politicing continue as before?
the same applies to the plant troughs
i have a sinking feeling that nothing much will change and the town will come a bad second to the egos.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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As far as I know and I have only been a Town Cllr 48 hrs actually I am not as I havent been sworn in,the agreement about the Toilets was reached DDC said they are shutting and DTC cannot afford to take them all over,especially the ones at the back of Maison Dieu because of the cost of repair/demolishing/rebuilding.
Plant troughs not sure yet, I predict things will change!
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think that both parties(cant speak for the 3rd party the tories)
both agree that on the toilet issue, funding is a big issue, and the district needs to come up front with some dosh, rather than just threats of toilet closures
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Howard
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