Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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In Scotland the SNP make huge gains and Alex Salmond responds by promising a referendum on Independence.
Labour look likely to have control of the Welsh Assembly with a swing of 16%.
In England the Lib/Dems have suffered massive defeats in their major strongholds and in Cleggs home town of Sheffield Labour take overall control. Blunkett said ''Clegg mania was now turning to Clegg pneumonia'' as the Libdems catch a cold around the country and their share of the vote drops to the lowest since its inception.
The forecast is that since the last local council elections of 2007 (the base line) there will be a swing to the Labour Party 13%
The projected national share of the vote is
Labour 37%,
Conservative 35%
Lib/Dem 15%
The story of the night as far as I see it is Labour make gains at the expense of the Lib/Dems and the Tories vote holds up if somewhat depleted.
Not really too bothered what the Jocks do but SNP take seats at expense of the Lib/dems and Labour. The Tories treat Scotland as a no go zone so have very little to lose north of the border.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The rumours are starting already in that Chris Huhne could quit the cabinet over the Lib/Dems poor showing at the local elections and the defeat looming for the Yes to AV campaign where it's now predicted that 61% are against AV system.
One point worth considering is that after all the results are in , the Lib/Dems peice of the Coaltion pie will be far less as their vote crumbles.
The Lib/dems strength and bargaining power weakened and many may ask is this time to go to the country when Conservatives have a good opportunity,probably the best to date,of gaining a majority and overall power. The question is will the Coaltion last another 4 weeks never mind another 4 years.
I think Clegg rightly or wrongly will be seen as the man who sold out his party to taste a smidgen of power. If you get into bed with a whore expect to pay the price and his party will...no doubt about that.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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My own personal belief now the elections are over is that I believe the Tories will hold the Dover Area,because of the 7 extra seats we need to win some are possible but in Deal the gap is too big,as I said this is my personal belief and not the Parties.
But I believe we will lose some of the standing Cllrs,some have stood down,others will fall,but we will see in a few hours. The Libs nationally have had a bad night but there is little or no Libs locally so thier vote doesn't really count.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
I would like to know if vote fixing took place in dover last night with no blues standing, and they said we will give the independents a chance against labor, what do the indys have to give back in return do they have to vote with the blues to stop labor getting anything through, or were the blues so confidante that they knew they would not be beaten.
After yesterdays election I have decided never to vote again for any party. At 65 I will never see Dover grow the way it should until the whole voting system in this town changes get new people interested and get the dead wood on the fire and there are many people that think the same way Dover will never grow while they argue and stop one another doing whats right for Dover, And one last thought is it part of there mandate ordered by the powers that be that each must stop the other getting anything through in council meetings .
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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In Scotland the Libdem vote went in its entirety to the SNP, giving them an unprecedented level of support. The Labour leader must be poor in Scotland, I dont know him but he only held onto his own seat by a mere 151 votes...and lost a huge lead Labour had earlier in the Opinion Polls. A poor show by him and on paper it looks an uncharismatic non performance. Removal recommended.
The Conservatives seemd to do reasonably okay, considering the circumstances, but across England the Libdems were annihilated having their worst result since the Dodo walked the earth...the public blaming them for everything and not the Tories. Interesting. Labour as expected have done well across England.
Locally they start counting at 9am. John maybe the influx of Labour's big guns will have changed the situation in Deal. Ed Miliband led the charge there followed by a whole brace of shadow ministers.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Had a laugh at the Lib Dem MP for Lewes after they held the Council,but only just when he said if you come first you come first doesnt matter by how much,this ok of course unless you have AV when coming first might mean you don't win.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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yellows wiped out in shepway 44 blues and 2 others, there were 6 yellow councillors.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Well we are now thrown firmly back into the old two party system and I doubt the AV referendum will do anything to alter this. I think an opportunity has been missed for the electorate to show their contempt for the old, discredited, system which favours the two main parties. But maybe it is me that is out of step.
Now that Clegg has tasted the power he craved he must witness his party's demise.
We are left with an unelected government, pursuing damaging policies that very few voted for. That's democracy and representation of the people for you!
On a brighter note the BNP lost all its seats in Stoke on Trent - Vic wasn't standing there was he?
Can you give results for dover
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Alan they have only just begun counting in Dover..scheduled to start at 9am. So no results yet. Still counting.
When we get them we will put them up, or indeed if any member gets them first please do the honours.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mark - Unelected government, hardly.
Alan - from what i can remember the Conservatives are contesting all but 2 DDC seats (not checked but probably not fighting the Aylesham seats). As far as DTC is concerned we only contested some seats since the last DTC elections as prior to then we had a policy not to do so under my chairmanship and before. I have not checked to see how many are contested this time but DTC is not seen as a political issue or priority and so are not putting forward a full set of candidates. There is certainly no collusion and it is just a matter of priorities.
Instead of critisising and moaning about those who do why not stand yourself. It is easy to merely complain.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In Shepway, 44 blues and 2 others would imply that Labour was also wiped out!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not true alex, there were no red councillors in the first place.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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from the results in it seems clear that the blues will be the happiest of the parties, they must have expected to suffer at the hands of the electorate over the cuts. it was widely thought that the reds would benefit from the disenchantment of yellow voter, not so.
one result bucked the trend in kent where the reds took 8 seats from the blues in gravesham to take control of the council by 6 seats.
no results in dover yet, the people counting are having a coffee break at the moment.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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On my blog I cover what might or might not make the parties happy..... No real hope for LibDems having any kind of smile on their face...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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But Barry, what hope is there for Dover? Most people are not concerned how the LibDems fare. Never mind about making the parties happy, why can't they make us happy?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Different issue - read the blog Alexander. What makes you happy or otherwise in this context depends on what Party you support.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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first result, reds hold both seats in aylesham, no great surprise.
Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It a shame that the electorate nationally seem to have blamed the Lib Dems for everything, here was a chance to get rid of the dinosaur two party system that we have had in this country for decades.
The AV referendum was one step closer to PR, now it looks as though that opportunity of a lifetime has been lost, I didn't think that the electorate would be that 'blinkered' to blame the weaker party of a coalition government for all it's early hiccups (obviously some hiccups were a little hard to swallow).
To ask Nick Clegg to step down and resign as leader of his party would be I feel, a big mistake. There also seems to be some tactical movement by other parties not putting forward a full set of candidates, shame on them, but thats politics for you.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Let us hope that PR really is dead and buried as well. That is just yet another way to put the LibDems permanently in power deciding who governs and nothing could be more undemocratic or unfair than that.