ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Bob Whysman wrote:That’s true Ray.
Based on the available figures which is the higher result?
Germany 2020 population is estimated at 83,783,942 people at mid year according to UN data. Germany population is equivalent to 1.07% of the total world population. Germany ranks number 19
in the list of countries (and dependencies) by population.
7,356,230
The United Kingdom 2020 population is estimated at 67,886,011 people at mid year according to UN data.
1,717,516
I've honestly no idea, Bob. I haven't researched it. I was just making the point that quoting percentages figures on their own is totally meaningless!
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#81 original and duplicated post, both deleted in error. Ray, your quick reply provided the full text.....thank you.
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Thinking about the infection figures could it also be argued that the virus has already killed off those who were less fit and healthy or simply coming to the end of their life expectancy so those left were more likely to recover.
I would certainly like to think that the expert's theory is correct in #80, we can all only hope he is.
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If she wasn't on maternity leave my granddaughter-in-law works in this sort of thing, this is her reply to the article in Andrew's link....
"A good virus isn't deadly, it needs us to replicate so if it kills the host it kills it's only means of replication. It's why the cold viruses are so hard to treat but don't cause a severe infection in many people.
They are amazing things, one good thing about this pandemic is that everyone has learnt a bit more about microbiology, which is (in my biased opinion) one of the most interesting sciences"
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I think we also learnt about human nature and how people act in these times
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Karlos- Location: Dover
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Interesting to see local rates still going down.
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Nearly 1,000 deaths yesterday and day before .
I know people living in London who say 1,000s congregate. Little social distancing or masks
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I think Dover is getting on top of it all lets hope all the UK do the same ,One big thank you to members of our great N.H.S.
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Weird Granny Slater
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Nearly 1,000 deaths yesterday and day before...
Another vague and meaningless post that simply begs questions: deaths reported on those days, or deaths that occurred on those days? do you know the difference? do you care? UK, England & Wales, England, or somewhere else? deaths 'from' or 'with' covid, or all deaths? what's your source? do you know there are around 530,000 all-cause deaths in England & Wales every year? and unfortunately some 1,500 people die every day? can we look forward to your reporting daily figures for avoidable deaths from heart disease, stroke and cancers? figures for cancellations of elective surgery? figures for closed businesses, redundancies and suicides? is there a regime any where in the world you wouldn't justify? are you Matt Hancock in disguise?
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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In general the majority of the population have no knowledge or understanding of the “normal” death rates either monthly or annually from all reasons, road accidents, old age, illness etc. Therefore it’s very easy to scare people with statistics.
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Cor
Being told I am a conservative
What an insult lol
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Button
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Cor
Being told I am a conservative
What an insult lol
I don't think you're a Conservative. I don't care whether or not you're a statistician. I prefer to believe you're someone who feels compassion towards those who have died from, or had loved ones taken by, Covid-19.
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Feeling compassion towards those who have lost loved ones does not mean that you cannot challenge either statistics or the Government approach to dealing with the pandemic. Initially the Government had the public on side and in general the population were complying with the rules imposed and the restrictions- then Dominic Cummings did his infamous trip to Durham and the Government succeeded in scoring a spectacular “own goal “ by providing him with support instead of sacking him. After that incident public confidence was substantially lost and had never been regained. The world is going to have this virus around for the foreseeable future and we have to learn to live with it. Compassion will become thin on the ground if life doesn’t soon get back to some semblance of normal. Schools cannot be closed indefinitely- teaching unions are doing the profession a huge disservice, the majority of teachers are hard working and care deeply about their pupils. But instead of insisting on testing the Government should vaccinate both pupils and teachers. If children cannot attend school then many parents will be unable to go to work and the economy suffers even more resulting in further closures, redundancies and unemployment. This doesn’t mean advocating throwing the older population under the bus but there must be a more balanced and nuanced approach. Opinions will always differ - but one thing is certain, we must get people back to work and allow the country to get back on its feet.
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Arthur wrote: Therefore it’s very easy to scare people with statistics.
Equally easy to lull them into a feeling of false security. I hate the way statistics can be used to promote whatever side of a debate a person chooses so I usually ignore the use of statistics.
Teachers and classroom assistants should definitely get the vaccine as soon as possible so schools become a safer place.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Cor
Being told I am a conservative
What an insult lol
If you believe Matt Hancock is a conservative then you're even more deluded than I thought.
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Button wrote:I don't think you're a Conservative. I don't care whether or not you're a statistician. I prefer to believe you're someone who feels compassion towards those who have died from, or had loved ones taken by, Covid-19.
When virtues such as 'compassion' are redefined as attributes possessed exclusively by those who support government measures, then it won't be long before 'failure to show compassion (as defined in paragraph 2 subsection b of the current 5-year plan)' will be a criminal offence punishable with a programme of 're-education on the subject's ethical duties to the State.'
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:When virtues such as 'compassion' are redefined as attributes possessed exclusively by those who support government measures, then it won't be long before 'failure to show compassion (as defined in paragraph 2 subsection b of the current 5-year plan)' will be a criminal offence punishable with a programme of 're-education on the subject's ethical duties to the State.'
Bravo - really helpful.
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OK, allowing that the second part carried a hint of utopian fantasy (there's a lot of it about), what was wrong with the first bit? You're not telling me it's not happening?
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i thought hancock was a red commie
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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#92 Keith you once regularly accused me of being a Conservative. Now you know how it feels.
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