Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#41
AndyPol wrote:I believe in freedom of choice...
Careful, it'll be freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of worship next. You're just one step from heresy.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#42
As you say freedoms are ok
But we have a killer virus out there
My family and friends don't wish to die because of someone's freedom of choices
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#43
Keith Sansum1 wrote:As you say freedoms are ok
But we have a killer virus out there
My family and friends don't wish to die because of someone's freedom of choices
Which was why I said "so we can all decide what path to take, just please don't walk near me or my family if you decide otherwise".
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#44
Except, we cannot. We had freedoms, but gave them up for 'safety'. We now have government permissions. If that doesn't worry you, then there'll be plenty of time to mug up on C20th history.
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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#45
Weird Granny Slater wrote:Except, we cannot. We had freedoms, but gave them up for 'safety'. We now have government permissions. If that doesn't worry you, then there'll be plenty of time to mug up on C20th history.
We still have freedom, because if we didn't, people wouldn't be able to shop in Morrisons without a mask, people wouldn't be able to ignore social distancing when meeting on the seafront, people would be forced to obey the law like in some other countries, and ironically, Dover (and the UK) might have got rid of this pandemic sooner if we had no freedom (ooh, that last point is a separate debate all on its own!).
I have freedom of choice and I have chosen to follow the medical advice of people more qualified than any of us, but equally I could have chosen to ignore that advice and put my loved ones and community at risk.
Can't get much more freedom than that!
I'll go and read up on 20th century history now, in case I missed something when I was living in those times
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#46
AndyPol wrote:We still have freedom, because if we didn't, people wouldn't be able to shop in Morrisons without a mask, people wouldn't be able to ignore social distancing when meeting on the seafront, people would be forced to obey the law like in some other countries, and ironically, Dover (and the UK) might have got rid of this pandemic sooner if we had no freedom (ooh, that last point is a separate debate all on its own!).
I have freedom of choice and I have chosen to follow the medical advice of people more qualified than any of us, but equally I could have chosen to ignore that advice and put my loved ones and community at risk.
Can't get much more freedom than that!
I'll go and read up on 20th century history now, in case I missed something when I was living in those times
You're wasting your time. On this forum you will find greater wisdom and intelligence than all the epidemiologists and virologists in the world can muster collectively. Oh and a fair smattering of pseudo philosophy too.
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#47
ray hutstone wrote:You're wasting your time. On this forum you will find greater wisdom and intelligence than all the epidemiologists and virologists in the world can muster collectively. Oh and a fair smattering of pseudo philosophy too.
Athough I've watched this forum for a while, I'm starting to see that first hand
armchair virologists or philosophers are fine with me, as long as they are adhering to COVID safe practices when posting
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#48
i am sitting 2 meters away from my desktop.
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#49
"We're not all bad down here" - as if there was any questin that we might have been. Good riposte to a "Hillsborough - The Truth" style attack on Dover.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#50
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,948
#51
Brian Dixon wrote:i am sitting 2 meters away from my desktop.
Where are you Brian, in the meter cupboard under the stairs or on the front porch?
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#52
up on the roof bw
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#53
Andy pol we will have to agree to disagree
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
#54
Keith Sansum1 wrote:Andy pol we will have to agree to disagree
That's fair enough, I don't mind, but without freedom of choice, one of us would be forced to agree with the other.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#55
Suggest you all look up the definition of 'freedom', then the definition of 'permission'. Then feel free to continue ignoring the difference.
Oh yes, given that you all appear to support the principle that not having a formal qualification in a subject (e.g. virology, epidemiology) disqualifies you from bringing your critical faculties to bear on it, do feel free not to comment on any other subject you're not qualified to talk about.
BREAKING NEWS: ex-Supreme Court judge, Lord Sumption, backs WGS:
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We must expect restrictions will continue for as long as most members of the public believe their safety depends on coercing their fellow citizens.'
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#56
Luckily we do not have to have a formal qualification to have an opinion on any subject.
My opinion is the government have made a complete pig's ear of the whole virus situation going right back to the beginning which is why we are now in tier three with cases in this area apparently still rising.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#57
Jan Higgins wrote:Luckily we do not have to have a formal qualification to have an opinion on any subject.
But are you qualified to make such a claim, JH?
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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#58
Dover District reported 371 per 100,000 yesterday.
Let's hope the Christmas break gives Dover a reprieve that we so desperately need.
Guest 3130- Registered: 22 Feb 2019
- Posts: 67
#59
Let's hope so, but it could have the opposite effect.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#60
Is this real 'armchair virology' or merely the 'pseudo' version? Does AP's desire or APS's conditional cut it? Perhaps a dawn 'It's an armchair epidemiological knockout' should decide...
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
