Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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You never know what will result until you try, the end could justify the means... anything is worth a try...
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Jan, I believe that the purpose of allowing smaller shops more time was to do with the cost of the refit - £2,000 is a figure I have heard quoted. In the bigger scheme of things three years is not that long to wait.
Bern - it is indeed sad about my friend's diagnosis. They continue to smoke through chemo and radiotherapy but that's their choice I suppose.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Jan, I believe that the purpose of allowing smaller shops more time was to do with the cost of the refit - £2,000 is a figure I have heard quoted. In the bigger scheme of things three years is not that long to wait.
Bern - it is indeed sad about my friend's diagnosis. They continue to smoke through chemo and radiotherapy but that's their choice I suppose.
I have known people do that, even to smoke through a tracheotomy, or near to oxygen. And some say it isn't an addiction...........
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Tom, surely to be moderate in ALL things is extreme, don't you think?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Only moderately so Peter.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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I think that this idea will do nothing for smoking other than to annoy the shop staff who, when faced with a queue will have to stop and check lists of brands and prices then open and shut doors to sell the product. More worrying to me is the fact that a government that keeps telling us how much work there is to do sorting out the economy, planning wars, fixing (selling off) education and the health service) felt it important to spend so much and waste parliamentary time on such a pointless measure. How about lowering the tax on booze sold in pubs and putting it on to supermarket sales, wouldn't hurt the supermarkets but could save a lot of pubs?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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re post 11: I fail to see how anyone can prove one way or the other that the action of covering tobacco reduces smoking, it is just a stupid idea that in my humble opinion will do nothing to stop young people taking to the weed.
Look around you, I see more youngsters smoking these days than ever I used to and the more people go on and on about it the more the young will want to try it.
I have not smoked for 30 plus years and the reason I stopped was I was in Scouting and thought I was showing a bad example to the young I was involved with. The main way to cut smoking is to keep getting at the adults who smoke in front of their children.
Well, let's think. If something is on display 24/7 in all major shops, perhaps it becomes The Norm. Imagine if something clearly publicly unacceptable like hard core porn was on shelves behind the person serving you when you went shopping. How long before it became acceptable and The Norm? Not noticed, freely available, and people start shouting about it being a human right to access it and an abuse of human rights to try to shut it away, and leaving it lying around for others to see (or breathe in in the case of fag smoke). That isn't as weird or fanciful as you think. In the US, where gun crime is endemic, guns can be bought just about everywhere - even in some banks!
And before you all start shouting at me I am not equating smoking with hard core porn, just making a point.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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the same could be done with garageskeep all pumps behind sliding doors.allso could be done on supermarket shelves.
by chance i've just had a mot at the docters this week,which included a chest x-ray,the results came back all clear despite smoking heaverly for 45 years.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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so much for the pro business, red tape cutting government.
the supermarkets will take a hit of about 15 million quid that they can afford, not so easy for the small independent shop keepers.
How about drug dealers, then? Perhaps we should make their market freer? Reduce their risks and red tape........?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yep have one on every street corner with a health warning stapled on there forehead.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the point is being missed here, the coalition promised to cut red tape and costs for legitimate businesses especially the smaller ones.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Much as I hate to disagree Bern but guns are even more prevalent in Canada than they are in the USA but the number of gun crimes is only a fraction of its neighbours. Not surprisingly the two countries watch the same TV and films so it is not a matter of aping what they see.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
No Howard, the health point is being missed here - and how much smaller a business can you get than a street corner dealer?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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If I understood the report early this morning on TV the restrictions that came into force today are only for the large supermarkets not places like Tesco Express as they count as a 'smaller shop'.
I really believe they should be treated just the same as the large supermarket, they are not exactly small independents strapped for cash.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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i dont think this will do much to stop kids smoking
its not the adverts its how easy you can buy them.
when i was at school a geezer opened a shop overroad from school and sold fags individually to kids knowing (in them days)they could afford a single fag but not a packet.
he made a fortune
in those days shop keepers used to sell cigs to kids
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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My mother used to send me to the village shop to get her 20 Kensitas almost every day.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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the shop used to sell number 10's and number 6's
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