#101
All Peter said, plus: it is an addiction. You may get pleasure from it - like any addict, that is how addicitons form - but it is an addictive habit with physical as well as psychological addictives.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#102
Regardless of the substance an addict is addicted to they only think of themselves and care nothing for the rest of us, as some of the above posts have proved.
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#103
I love the new picture Jan!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#104
The use of the word 'disgusting' is not being emotive as much as a statement of fact describing the dreadful smell of stale tobacco on clothes. Disgusting it truly is and there is no justification for anyone to impose that unpleasant stench on someone else. Likewise there can be no justification for a smoker, through their habit/addiction to discomfort people around them in a public place, making eyes sting and to choke. Smokers can smoke all they want as long as they are in places where they will not affect anyone else and any measure that further reduces the profile of smoking that removes these anti-social and dangerous products from sight is justified.
What Philip is showing is how smokers simply do not understand how nasty it is and the effect on other people, or don't want to understand.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#105
oh i dont give up.adiction/habit all the same,bleeding nimbys.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#106
Tell you what Brian... Why don't I bring my dog and let it defecate on your doorstep and leave it there as a present for when you get up in the morning.
Its just like doing what you would like to be free to do to me with your cigarettes.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#107
barry,petty nimbisam that is.a bit like two lads squareing up saying my dad is bigger than yours etc.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#108
well here appears to be another subject where barryw peter and I can agree.
most smokers(and in my time i'v been a smoker) deny the problem they cause others when smoking around non smokers.
many smokers are inconsiderate when smoking and had they been more considerate over time the smoking ban would not be in place.
For my part i welcome the ban knowing i can go into a pub/eating areaknowing it will be smoke free.
one -of the reasons i packed up was the awful smell on your clothes, but also the cost!! plus the health issue cannot be denied
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#109
How is that petty Brian? Two wrongs do not make a right.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#110
well barry i will extend my reply to post 107,you are coming across as petty,childish and a playground bully.yes two wrongs dont make a right as does two rights dont make a wrong.
as a besides i am quite happy to make a 20 pound a week tax contibuton to the goverment every week,which makes me a tax payer unlike non smokers who dont pay duty because they dont smoke.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#111
Me, coming across as petty over this? I think people can judge that for themselves while you demonstrate, yet again, the attitude of many smokers that many refer to that makes the smoking ban essential.
#112
I don't think the word nimbyism applies when we are simply trying to protect ourselves and loved ones from the disgusting - and I use the word advisedly - smell, health detriment, and mess that smokers appear to think is their Human Right to inflict on others. I don't care what smokers do to themselves if they are adult and earning their own money to pay for the habit (which is making huge profits for Fat Cats, or as some might say Elite Greedy Pigs) which has been proven over and over again to kill and harm not only people doing it but those around them. I can think they are eejits, but that is only my opinion. So if they keep it out of the way and clear up after themselves, who gives a flying one? But most of us can recognise the deluded behaviour smokers exhibit!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#113
BRIAN;
We disagree here, whilst i may not pay for fags(choice) i do pay towards health care for a number smoking related illness's so careful there boyo.
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#114
I would add to Brians post that he may pay the tax on fags, fair play, but the rest of us contribute to theclean up and health bill. Again - fair play, it is what insurance and taxes are for, and should be spread across a population. But don't try and tell me that we don't share the costs and that paying fag tax is to my benefit!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#115
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#116
barry,the compleat ban was unessary as was discussed at the time as there is no more to be said on that matter.
being petty,you come acrooss quite well on this issue.among others as well.
attitude is another problem,non/anti smokers come across like pit bull with attitude.
and fanally if i choose to smoke i will,if i fancy a pint of beer i will go and buy one,life go's on barry what ever your choices are.
and thats my final word on smoking,full stop.
#117
I don't want to stop you smoking! I just want you to do it responsibly and recognise how it impacts on others. And if you think non-smokers are pit bulls, look at the smokers postings and listen to some of their public reps!!!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#118
BRIAN;
I feel you are missing the point.
If it doesn't affect me financialy or healthwise then smokers can do as they please.
but when they are inconsiderate and smoke around me causing my eyes to water, clothes to stink
thats another matter
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#119
Quite right, no-one has said they should be stopped from smoking all together. Just as long it is not done in an enclosed public space.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#120
bern,evan though i smoke [heavaly] i dont smoke around people when i am talking to them,but if i have a lighted fag i stop smoking it untill i have finished talking to that person if you know what i am saying.and i'm saying that all non-smokers are pit bulls but some are.
