Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Alexander D wrote:
We do have immigration on a large scale in Dover, and it does require housing.
Best build some houses on the Heights then and Farthingloe, or is more of a "not in my back yard"?
Brian Dixon
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alex,i would love to know where this over population of imagrants are,and if so whats your problem with them.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The point I have been making, Paul and Brian, is that housing planning in Dover and District should NOT be made by pretending it has nothing to do with immigration, when it has, at least to an extent.
This alone is my point.
One cannot just say "racist" whenever someone mentions immigration in respect to house-planning and building in Dover.
Immigration has taken up a very large amount of existing houses, and could potentially do so even more in the future, as to would migration in general.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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So if DDC admit that there is immigration 'problem'and more houses need to be built, then it will be ok to build on the Heights and Farthingloe ?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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still waiting for an answer for #42 alex.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In the name of not writing in circles, Brian, the point is, whether immigration be perceived as a problem or not, whether one person supports large-scale immigration and another person supports it on a limited scale, the fact is, all said and told, that the DDC core strategy does not have an assessment on immigration, either in the years leading up to its approval, nor for the future.
For example, the core strategy does not mention that the citizens of 26 countries have the unlimited right to settle in Britain, and that Dover has a very large population of immigrants from the East of Europe as a result, that has grown very fast since 2004, and is ever expanding.
This alone makes the core strategy unreliable, as it has been presented to the local Public under disguises of various sorts, but does not address one very important issue, that of immigration.
The core strategy also has other remarkable failures, including the failure to mention that London Road, the only route out of Dover back to Whitfield, where over 6,000 new homes would be built, has already reached maximum capacity and could not cope with the increased traffic resulting from such a massive influx of migrants to Whitfield.
Barton Road is in a similar condition, as too Frith Road, Pencester Road and Biggin Street, and several others, that would be directly affected by the DDC core strategy.
There is failure to assess the stress on Dover's residents from the already existing traffic, and the increased stress which would be caused by the added traffic deriving from the establishment of 10,000 new homes in Dover and immediate vicinity.
It fails to address the pollution problem as at present, and as it would result as a consequence of the core strategy being implemented with what could be 10,000 more cars transiting daily through Dover.
It fails to make local residents aware of the serious health risks we already endure owing to the traffic situation in Dover.
Hopefully all are reading this!
Keith Sansum1
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Blimey
Having just raised the issue of the number of houses proposed to be built, i never thought it would end up
in a racist send them all home thread.
Sadly I thought we would have debated the issue of house building in the District
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Alexander D wrote:
The core strategy also has other remarkable failures, including the failure to mention that London Road, the only route out of Dover back to Whitfield, where over 6,000 new homes would be built, has already reached maximum capacity and could not cope with the increased traffic resulting from such a massive influx of migrants to Whitfield.
Eh? Isn't there a road called the Jubilee Way that most sensible people would take ?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, there is not one racist word from me on this thread nor any statement about "sending them all home"!
I hope your post is not referred to me!
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Paul, perhaps you should visit London Road and the others I mentioned, on FOOT, not by car, and then make a judgment.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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I do Alex regularly, and anyone sensible getting from the town to Whitfield would take the A20 Jubilee Way
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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But the argument you have used in the past is these people in the new houses won't want to head into Dover and will work elsewhere not benefitting the town, but here you are saying they will all be wanting to head into Dover !!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, post 52 - first part - is an argument I have NEVER used. Absolutely! Indeed, I have written that they would be heading from thousands of new homes TO Dover town and back daily. THIS is an argument I HAVE used from the start, including in my various representations to DDC Planning. You can check with DDC Planning on this.
As for post 51, so you think it is OK for possibly ten thousand more cars to transit every day along Maison Dieu Road, and along Townwall Street to the flyover at Eastern Docks.
And you seem to forget that these cars would be also searching for a parking place in Pencester Road, and any other road in the town where there is a parking place. Indeed they would have to travel along many other town streets even if the DID avoid London Road.
Jan Higgins
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As with most towns there is a SMALL shortfall in available housing so we do need some more housing but the figure quoted if correct that is way too many unless we are expecting a sudden influx of hard working people to fill new previously unannounced jobs.
As an aside some foreign visitors prefer to live in conditions we would prefer not to just so they can send extra money home to their relatives, the very reason they are here in the first place. I hasten to add that situation might not be right but it happens and they are 'happy' to be in it.
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Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Sorry then it must have been Lorraine that was saying that
Do you really think that every person from every new house will want to venture from Whitfield and outlying area into Dover town every single day?
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Added to that it is something like a 20 year plan so won't all suddenly happen overnight, and even if there is a 'strategy' for that number if there isn't a demand then they won't be built. They won't just suddenly build 10,000 houses and just hope they are all sold!!
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Trying to decypher this, but it looks like traffic slow through Dover has reduced over the past 10 years
http://www.dft.gov.uk/traffic-counts/cp.php?la=Kent#17812Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Yes, Jan, the 10,000 + houses for Dover is the correct figure, including Whitfield.
The remaining 4,000 are meant for Sholden, Deal, Sandwich and some other localities within the District.
It is also correct to calculate an average of 1 car per household, although it would be more for areas with more expensive housing, where often both husband and wife each have a car, and even a grown child living with them may have a vehicle.
In particular in locations like Whitfield, Guston, Western Heights, Farthingloe, Sholden, all situated too far from a train station.
In these kind of estates, family members rely on a car to get to work, to do the shopping in town.
And yes, people invariably go almost every day to do the shopping, Paul.
And to work, for that mater.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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When Whitfield is being developed, so will a "Bus Rapid Transit" system, so there won't be thousands of cars steaming into Dover.
Park and Ride may also be introduced, thereby, also cutting down traffic.
Roger