Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alex. On the one hand you say that DPPT does not represent you. On the other hand you berate us for not presenting evidence to you. You can't have it both ways.
I can tell you that DPPT directors, and our legal and financial advisors, are in regular contact with the DfT and other Whitehall departments and that discussions are ongoing. No point in involving UKIP in discussions at this stage because they have no seats in either House of Parliament except Lord Pearson. Much as we might admire their aims, until they win seats we might as well talk to the cat.
Yours is a voice in the wilderness, Alex.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ukip cannot save harbour house from being sold off either.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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There must be some way of harnessing Alex' energy...now that he has lost a major outlet for his ministrations. I thought you were a bit scathing about not paying your £10-00 quid membership of DPPT Alex.
Never give up...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a lovely term "voice in the wilderness", sadly it reminded me of this calumny.
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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"It is recommended that on completion of the transaction whereby DPPT acquires the business of DHB, the non-core operating property assets of PortCo are transferred to RegenCo. It is suggested that this probably will not include those buildings within the security zone of the Eastern Docks but would include all the DHB properties on/around Marine Parade, possibly Lord Warden House and any land holdings outside of the Docks. Consideration could be given to PortCo's management at some juncture transferring into office space within the security zone freeing up the prime-positioned Harbour House on Marine Parade."
None of these asssets are slated for sale. Regenco will retain ownership of all assets transferred and RegenCo is a 100% owned subsidiary of DPPT as is PortCo. Many of these buildings and assets can be better utilized than they are today and the future use of Harbour House is, as I think we make clear, only something that could be up for consideration (no 'will be' in there and in any event should be investigated and consulted before any decision is made. On top of that, ownership again will be retained within the DPPT ownership structure through RegenCo). Non-Operational assets transferred to RegenCo will not be sold, but leasing arrangements can be entered into with third parties to redevelop and improve these assets and ensure that they become economic contributors to the town and community.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think you have missed your vocation neil a life in politics would have seen you reach the top.
"consideration could be given" usually means we intend to but are not going to say so right now.
"Non-Operational assets transferred to RegenCo will not be sold, but leasing arrangements can be entered into with third parties to redevelop and improve these assets and ensure that they become economic contributors to the town and community."
how can harbour house be improved?
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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By making it the future location of the Dover Steamship Co Ltd's luxury office suite and drinks cabinet.
Never give up...
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, the DfT informed me that DPPT's participation was in the Public Consultation, as was that of many others, including myself. I've published this on the Forum and in my latest article on Dover People's Port Trust 2013.
But the DfT have not at all mentioned any ongoing dialogue with DPPT. There is no such dialogue that is of any interest to the Public, else the DfT would have stated this, or DPPT would have given public proof of it. You haven't!
Dover Port is not up for sale, and the DfT told me that if the DHB transfer scheme had been approved, then, and only then, could DPPT have had the possibility - along with any other bidder - to put forward their offer.
As published word for word on another thread.
As for UKIP, just forget it, they won't enter into any dialogue with "the people's port".
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, in reply to your latest question, I've presented a representation to DDC during the recent Public Consultation on the implementation of the core strategy. They acknowledged my representation and thanked me for it, and it is being taken into account as in accordance with standard procedures.
Hopefully this answers your question.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Well of course UKIP won't enter into dialogue with DPPT...totally understandable if Vic is PPC!
Never give up...
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Ah, Howard, but I'm no politician and never will be, I'm an Ops bod and the usual political doublespeak meanings do not apply.
I wrote - "Many of these buildings and assets can be better utilized", so an assumption that there was an inference that Harbour House could be improved is mistaken. I deliberately split the future of Harbour House out from the rest of the non-operational assets and then you reconflate them Howard. The future use of Harbour House may be considered, and if it is, then after any such consideration, it could well be decided that current use is best utilization of asset. This matter is not decided and it is not even decided yet whether or not a change of use for Harbour House will be considered.
Frankly, there are currently far more pressing matters on our agenda.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Vic is not the chairman of UKIP, Richard.
UKIP Dover and Deal have a new chairman and a new committee.
Neither will Vic be standing as candidate MP for Dover and Deal for UKIP.
And I am constantly updated by UKIP from many offices nationwide.
They are the only political party that can offer a credible alternative to the multi-politicians force currently in Parliament, and they are in receipt of my Port proposals.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Neil, what you wrote does not come from any Government Department. That's what counts!
None of DPPT's proposals have even been considered as an alternative option in the Decision Minister's letter 21st December 2012.
One of my proposals has! That is what will mostly interest the Public!
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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No it won't...folks won't care about that-they want to know about the DPPT -of course this excellent organisation is being considered -as part of an on going process-Neil's mentioned that once or twice...
Never give up...
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Time will tell. These discussions are just a distraction from the real issues.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Richard, the Public in Dover and District does not care for DPPT.
But the fact that only three alternative options appear in the Decision Minister's letter that rejected the DHB transfer scheme, is something that the Public will be interested in.
None of these was a DPPT proposal, but one was my proposal. This alone is what the Public will consider, not DPPT, whose offer was never considered by the Government starting in November 2010, and therefore had no place under the Alternative Options list.
Sorry mate
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Alexander, you appear to have not read the decision letter at all, or at best to have read it with a special filter that removed more than a third of its content from your view.
As you will find over the coming months Alexander, you could not be more incorrect about the DPPT if you tried 1000 times harder to take such a contrary view.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Neil, accept the facts as they are: DPPT did not get into the next round, one of my proposals did.
The Decision Minister's letter clearly states this.
The fact that the Government is not intent on implementing my proposal, does not mean it is off the table. It is there as an alternative option.
Indeed, a U-turn Government may well decide after all to implement it. What counts, Neil, is that the Public are aware from whom this proposal came, and it is not from DPPT.
The £400 million debt-scheme for Dover Port which the "people's port" proposed, will not be accepted by the Public, nor by any government.
When you thought it up, Neil, sometime prior to the 2010 General Election, and possibly prior to the 2008 financial crash, governments were still embarking on grandiose schemes to increment debt; but since then, things have changed.
The Public know how the situation is now, Neil, and will avoid your £400 million debt scheme proposal like the Plague.
