Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alex, pay your £10 and attend the AGM. You might learn more than you will standing outside with your fingers in your ears, stamping your feet and shouting la-la-la. What's £10 to a man like you? A few tubes of caulk and a pot of polyfilla.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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no howard,i am after nothing at all.just would like to see some forward movement.with out any disbelievers twisting with what ever niel says.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Just give one shred of proof, Neil and Peter, that DPPT are being considered by the Government as a future owner of the Port of Dover.
As for £10, I won't pay it. I pay regular Council tax, £6 a week, and NI contributions.
The administrative Community is represented as Town, District and County, as well as national.
DPPT does not represent me.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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As you wish, Alex.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thought for a minute you had talked him round peter.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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no chance howard,he is a ukip indie.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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We all may have concerns on DHB or the peoples port,
But what we do want to push for is it to financially viable and community based as much as possible
and not just to sell assetts.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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blimey peter
go easy lol
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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assets will be sold off, i feel sure of that.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Just curious why this thread been pinned.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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my guess is that chris has pressed a button by mistake jan.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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No need to pin it, Alex gets a bee in his bonnet and bumps it almost on a daily basis.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Government turned down my proposals made in the Public Consultation.
We're not getting any regeneration revenues from the Port now, as my proposal for a Community levy on traffic has been rejected.
And no mention of a freight by rail T2 either.
And no mention of the Port of Dover becoming officially a Community asset belonging to the Council - whichever Council, that subsequently could never be sold. DHB could have still run the port, but it would have been owned by the legally recognised administrative Community.
I have no other proposals to make,
One day, when people see how economies cannot be run through international off-shore banking (UK, Cyprus) and through bank-related debt schemes, and notice that economies go bankrupt, that people's savings are partially confiscated, and that the real economy is based on common sense economic incomes, then it will become evident.
Namely, that my opposition to our Port falling into a debt situation dependent on private owners or lenders from the banking sector (DHB and DPPT proposals respectively) was correct.
And people will see that had we received a local Community revenue proportionate to Port traffic, we could have invested it in the local economy, creating employment for ourselves and even more income from a fully functional productive local economy.
That's all been rejected.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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You still haven't told us where that leaves "your" plans for the regeneration of the town and Western Heights now that "your" ideas to raise revenue from the port has been rejected.....
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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It's interesting to now note Alexander has accepted defeat on the port,
Where it appears the peoples port are still saying they are still going forward.
Assets appears to be the thing will harbour house survive under a peoples port proposals?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is the burning question keith.
courtesy of dppt website.
It is recommended that on completion of the transaction whereby DPPT acquires the business of DHB, the non-core operating property assets of PortCo are transferred to RegenCo. It is suggested that this probably will not include those buildings within the security zone of the Eastern Docks but would include all the DHB properties on/around Marine Parade, possibly Lord Warden House and any land holdings outside of the Docks. Consideration could be given to PortCo's management at some juncture transferring into office space within the security zone freeing up the prime-positioned Harbour House on Marine Parade.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Oh dear so the peoples port maybe need to give some answers on this
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, while maintaining that DPPT have not presented a shred of evidence that their "trust" is being taken into consideration by the Government - I personally believe it isn't - I am convinced that sooner or later, a Government will decide that local Port Communities in Britain receive a revenue from port traffic.
I did send a copy of my representation to a UKIP office some months back, towards the end of last year, during a phase of reciprocal contact, and as I have for several years underlined my support for UKIP on various general issues and my preference for this party, perhaps a change of Government could see my proposals being accepted.
Until such time, we won't have any meaningful investment for economic regeneration in Dover District.
Not only, but people will realise even more that the idea of a debt-based asset, such as Dover Port, incurring a £400 million debt as planned by DPPT, will be utterly out of the question.
Debt-based assets, and debt-ridden banks and budgets, and public debts and debt-based currencies are all falling to pieces internationally.
A £400 million debt on an asset (the Port of Dover) in a district of 100,000 people, would be the equivalent of Britain, with about 60 million people, taking on a new debt of £240 billion.
If calculated to Dover town's 30,000 people, that figure would rise to £800 billion.
Yet Dover town and district already are participant in the existing £1 trillion National Debt.
Oh and Paul, don't think that DPPT will manage, with all their claimed contacts with ministers, lords and civil servants, with Tory party politicians and with Labour politicians, to involve UKIP in their idea: because they won't.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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So your idea is to HOPE that sooner or later a change of government will decide to introduce port tolls to regenerate Dover - so what are you actually going to DO in the meantime to make the town a better place?