Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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You make me laugh ever so much Alexander. You can't even get the net sums correct.
The rest of the world will get on with reality quietly around you whilst you ignore how the criteria got changed, ignore more than a third of the decision letter's contents and concentrate on your one line mention to the exclusion of almost everything else.
I have accepted reality Alexander and so far, everything that DPPT has hoped, planned and strategised for has come to pass as I said that it would (although it took a bit longer).
As I said on previous threads and elsewhere on this thread as well, DPPT will complete the update of our offer with banking, legal and stakeholder support ready for presentation, whilst at the same time continuing discussions with Ministers and Civil servants as appropriate to ensure that the solution is acceptable to Govt, community and other stakeholders. It will still take some time and the completion of the ongoing personnel changes on the Board at DHB, but radical ownership and governance change of the port will be accomplished.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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There are a number of issues outstanding here and worthy of discussion;
1; There appears still to be a fear of whats to happen with assets if and when the peoples port gains control
2; Im unaware of the £400million debt alexander talks of, can this be explained please.
3; Surely UKIP would want to talk to everyone in the best interests for Dover, rather than cherry picking people to talk
to and maybe no getting the full picture.
4; I;m sure the peoples port guys(like many other organisations) are in regular contact with the Govt to think otherwise
puts you in cloud cuckoo land, the govt wouldn't be doing it's job if it wasn't talking to all interested parties on the
future of the port.
5; Councils don't have any dosh so would be the last ones to push to be in control of the port, nor have the expertese to
run such a big venture.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Neil, quite plainly, DPPT is not an alternative option.
Just Google: Dover people's port 2013, and see what comes up on the top of page 1.
The DPPT official website doesn't even get that far!
Keith, forget UKIP bothering about DPPT, even the Government has never considered their offer.
Furthermore, Charlie Elphicke Tory MP Dover and Deal is co-founder of DPPT, which is a political enterprise, and UKIP will take Charlie's whole political history post-May 2010 to pieces at the next General Election.
You really appear to be in cloud cucu land on this issue in your previous post, Keith.
Of-course Paul Wells will come along and laugh about Google, but 90% of international Web-traffic is done on Google, and when people search for: Dover people's port, they land on my website.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In fact I noted that the "people's port" website doesn't even have a comments sector, which it used to have.
Having closed even that down, while claiming to "represent the local Community", makes one wonder.
No-one could even comment on their web pages, so all this secrecy they operate in is certainly not democratic and has nothing to do with representing the Community.
My web-pages have a comment section free for people to take part in the discussion.
My Dover Port articles have received thousands of page views.
The "people's port" website seems more like an unapproachable politburo page where comments from the Public are not allowed.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
alex,is there a need for one.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
kieth,the points you have made have been explaind with in this thread.so not worth repeating and going around in circles.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,894
Alexander D wrote:
My Dover Port articles have received thousands of page views.
The "people's port" website seems more like an unapproachable politburo page where comments from the Public are not allowed.
1. Page views are not the same as read many are computer generated searches and others are when people are trying to find a particular site.
2. There is a box area at the top that says CONTACT which is what a normal person wanting to make a comment would expect to find after all the site is not a forum or blog.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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One of the links on the contact page is to our Facebook page where you can make comments and engage in debate just like on any other page.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Google 'Dover Peoples Port' and you get our web page top of the list. Only if you add '2013' on the end does your risible article show up.
The website did originally allow comments, however, as the site's primary purpose is giving real information to members, it was decided to move the ability to comment and discuss from the site to a more appropriate forum, facebook. It turned out that some people with no interest in what was written and what DPPT were doing were clogging the web site with incorrect and poorly informed opinions unrelated to the articles to which the comments were attached.
I answer many emails each week that are sent to me using the 'contact' facility from the website.
As we don't generally go in for publishing speculation and conjecture on our website and current developments await a concrete outcome, the last main story remains the rejection of the DHB proposals by the Government. When the next steps are ready, then they too will be published to the website.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Well most of us are torn between alexanders no idea what goes on
to the unanswered peoples port proposals
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Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Alexander D wrote:Neil, quite plainly, DPPT is not an alternative option.
Just Google: Dover people's port 2013, and see what comes up on the top of page 1.
The DPPT official website doesn't even get that far!
Keith, forget UKIP bothering about DPPT, even the Government has never considered their offer.
Furthermore, Charlie Elphicke Tory MP Dover and Deal is co-founder of DPPT, which is a political enterprise, and UKIP will take Charlie's whole political history post-May 2010 to pieces at the next General Election.
You really appear to be in cloud cucu land on this issue in your previous post, Keith.
Of-course Paul Wells will come along and laugh about Google, but 90% of international Web-traffic is done on Google, and when people search for: Dover people's port, they land on my website.
You'll find that Google is a search engine and isn't an ISP so doesn't carry "international Web-traffic"
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
no answers thats fine
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alex they will only land on your blog if they put 2013 as one of the search terms. I'm not sure why people would do that. Try leaving out '2013' and see what you get. Your blog comes halfway down page two, which is quite high enough for such disinformation.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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stacks of threads and posts on the subject of the port with people getting very hot under the collar.
at the end of the day whether dhb retain control, dppt flog off the buildings or a third party comes in and takes over, the main activities of the port will be unchanged.
ferries, container ships and cruise liners will still ply their trade, tourists will start and finish there european holidays here and the amount of people working in the port will remain unchanged.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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And if we were to sell Harbour House it would obviously be dismantled brick by brick and reassembled in the country of the purchaser.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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I like the comment on your Blog Alexander.....
"This letter, sent by the Department for Transport February 2013 concerning the "Dover People's Port Trust" (DPPT), has been exclusively published on Celtic Britannia."
I thought you posted exactly what was written on this forum ?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, you asked a question about the "people's port" debt proposal.
Did you get an answer? No!
If someone points out the proposed £400 million debt DPPT would be happy to incur on the Port of Dover, of which half would wander into the Treasury, but all would need to be repaid by the Port's sole activities, plus the interest, and then questions the sanity of it, there is no discussion facility to do so on the "people's port" website.
So if you even ask whether this proposed debt is true, as you did, you still get no answer.
Why? Because you could question the sanity if such an idea, and that is something DPPT managers do not want you to do publicly, either on their website, or in front of a public gathering.
On my webpage, one can ask questions, leave comments.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, yes, a copy was posted on this Forum too. But the copy may be hard to find among the many threads for readers searching for news on the "people's port" for the year 2013.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, if I leave out: 2013, and digit only: Dover people's port trust, I get to place four on page 1 of Google.
However, it is another article of mine posted Sep. 3rd 2011.
Also, Yahoo and Bing bring my "2013" article up on the top of page 1, under: Dover people's port 2013, as well as Google.
The point is, people read these articles, and then find that on the DPPT webpage they cannot even comment.
So they come back to me for more information.
As said, thousands of page views!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
you're probably right about the need for a comments box alex.