Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,090
Tramp Gate - local press asked me for my comments ...............
Deal Town Council have made themselves even more of a laughing-stock than usual with Tramp Gate (although they don't like him being referred to as a 'tramp' at council meetings in case it affects his self-esteem!)
Faced with the fact that person or persons unknown were sleeping in the Undercroft and using the place as a public toilet, they have now spent £16,000 of our money, transforming the Town Hall into what looks like a baroque version of Belmarsh High Security Prison, but find themselves unwilling to lock the gates as the phantom fouler is still within!
They have had the best part of a year to sort this out and have failed miserably to do anything about the actual 'problem'! I can assure you that if someone set up camp on my property using my garden as a lavatory, however sorry I felt for him, and even if well-meaning people were bringing him food and blankets, he would not last five minutes!
And why has the District Council done nothing you ask? One of the problems is that the gentleman in question has never presented himself to the District Council as homeless - and why would he? He has shelter, people bring him food and the local Police check he is tucked up at night! I believe in spite of this he has been offered accommodation in Dover but 'wants' to live in Deal! So what? I want to live in Monaco - but it ain't going to happen.
I await with interest the Town Council's next action/inaction. Will they actually act for the majority in at last clearing a public space from what is fast becoming a health hazard or will they continue bumbling along in a rather smelly and unhygenic version of Alan Bennet's heart-warming comedy-drama The Lady in the Van.
Perhaps Labour could actually start working For the Many - Not the Phew! Thank goodness there are council elections next year.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
Well personally I think the gates look nice, very upmarket. The undercroft looks cosy too, but without the sea views of, say, the Regent foyer. Or pier cafe, come to that.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
The Regent is in the process of converting back into the beautiful cinema it was in the 60s, can't wait for the premiere of "Bonny and Clyde" there to kick things off.
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,090
Regent 'Cinema' - private property - none of council's business.
Deal Pier Cafe - work in progress.

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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I wonder how true this is or maybe the chap has got his business some free publicity.
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/walmer-cafe-owner-revealed-disgusting-1607233Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,090
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I wonder how true this is or maybe the chap has got his business some free publicity.
Yup. Have heard the phrase used in Deal and always said to user not to be so f**king ignorant. Penultimate time I heard it was by a local councillor which really surprised me.
Even Deal has a few ar**holes unfortunately.
All I know is that Pete serves one of the best bacon sandwiches around and an ace cuppa. Well worth checking out.
(N.B. Don't miss out on the home made bread pudding IF he has any left)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,927
Just home from work,,, on way through hythe there was hundreds of people in the town, pubs, seafront, then one of the biggest fireworks displays iv ever seen locally on hythe seafront
see how it can be done?....mean while back in Dover town centre.....
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,090
Extraordinary. AGAIN they've voted against the officers' recommendations. Lost for words (temporarily).
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/aldi-supermarket-plan-felled-by-tree-fears-190155/Paul Watkins, Paul M and Reginald Barrington like this
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Surprised that the officers recommended felling trees that had a preservation order on them for the best part of four decades.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Surprised that the officers recommended felling trees that had a preservation order on them for the best part of four decades.
Where does it say that?
Arte et Marte
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,878
I love trees and hate it when they are felled but not at the expense of jobs or a store (if it is really needed) especially as the trees would be replaced with others as in this case. The loss of peoples homes is an entirely different and suitable reason to refuse.
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Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 451
In Aycliffe Dover we objected with a petition and meetings, to a new block of flats being built.. one of the reasons we had mature trees with tree protection orders.. Guess what they were felled and the flats built. where were the green party then.. seems one rule for others..
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Report from the Tree Officer of DDC below.
Comments submitted previously in relation to this application expressed concerns over the loss of mature trees to allow for the proposed scheme. It was recommended that trees T5, T7, T8 and T11 be retained due to their significant combined amenity value. Amended plans submitted show the retention of T11 which is welcomed, however, the immediate loss of trees proposed will still be of significant detriment to the local area and as such I object to the scheme in its current form.
Should the application be approved, for those trees currently proposed for retention, the tree protection measures are deemed adequate on the basis that existing hard surfacing will be retained as part of the new scheme. This will provide sufficient protection in combination with the protective fencing as shown on amended tree protection plan (1117-001 & 1117-CHE Rev B). Details of the proposed fencing should be secured through condition to be submitted for approval.
With regard the landscaping scheme proposed, details of the planting systems relating to all trees as shown on the drawing V1117-CHE-L01 Rev B will need to be submitted for approval if the scheme is approved. The suitability of Tilia for the proposed tree planting along the front boundary is questionable in view of the epicormic growth associated with this species and also the potential for honeydew to adversely impact on cars parked below. More suitable species to be considered are cultivars of Acer campestre or Corylus colurna.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
No doubt the refusal will be overturned on appeal, costing DDC £x thousand of our hard earned cash.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Yes you are correct.From my observations I would not have voted refusal.It will win at appeal,as there was a tree replanting scheme and parking was at a premium.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
Perhaps Cllr Gardner can be persuaded to contribute some of his winnings at the bridge table to fund the council’s legal fees?

Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,068
I can't think of a single reason to visit Deal other than to watch the lightning improve the look of the pier:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48688194Brian Dixon and Jan Higgins like this
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,090
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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