howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 February 2011
19:1993368so why did their vote go down and the reds record an increase alex?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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19 February 2011
19:3693375You mentioned it yourself, Howard: a lot less people voted!
But the increased number Labour got is a lot lower than the number that added to the non-vote.
Hence Labour's outcome in Romney Marsh is too insignificant in terms of real numbers, and in terms of overall percentage of the electorate, to suggest that Labour represents more than a small percentage of the people.
In other words, from a poll-point of view, Labour was not convincing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 February 2011
20:3893392alex
your two parties fared badly, though it has to be said that the government normally suffers at the polls in the year after being elected.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 February 2011
20:4193393With the turnouts that are happing at this time ,you can not tell what party is moving up or down.
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19 February 2011
20:5593398John thinks he can Vic.
Do you think he is being mischievous?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 February 2011
20:5893399Mr Watkins,When is he not like that, good to see him back.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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19 February 2011
22:5093415Howard, together they got four times more votes than Labour, which should by now see the writing on the wall. I can forsee UKIP making some important decisions soon, and that is how to challenge Labour without damaging the Tories.
National interests must come first. Oversight and severe discipline are necessary, and Gov. needs to move the reforms forward, so patience is also required. But every day we are making progress.
Labour sees no need to reform anything, but just to lounge back in the old days of driving Britain into debt and pretending that no-one need ever repay it!
And to abandon young people to unemployment, and carry out a policy of minimum wages with which young people are supposed to get married, have children and pay the rent or a mortgage.
Nothing to do with original Labour policies of once upon a time!
Labour's percentage of the electorats's support, including those who didn't vote, informs us they are out and staying out!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 February 2011
10:4793455alex
the minimum wage is just that, most people earn a lot more.
before the reds brought it in there were people earning less than £.2 an hour.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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20 February 2011
11:2393467Paul a win is a win,your lot called a snap election because they knew that was the only chance you had at the KCC and District election.If your lot had won the KCC by election they would be doing cartwheels in the street.
Vic I haven't gone away you are getting confused again,Keith has been missing and he is a PCSO and I work for the Railway.
Three by elections and in all of them Labour vote gone up by approx 50% Tories down by roughly the same amout Libs disappeared almost all together and UKIP sliding where they had support,I would say that is a trend,and with the bad news still to come.
If this is transferred to the DDC elections in May,the result becomes very intresting and close,I don't go in for predititions but watch out for the wards like Castle,Elms Vale Whitfield and Shepherdswell.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
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20 February 2011
13:3393482You are correct about doing cartwheels John.
As I pointed out if you had not pulled back one of Labour's safest KCC seats you really would have been in trouble.
As it is you are still in trouble with that small a majority, despite the win.
As for your analysis l think we'll see what the electorate make of it all.
It certainly won't be voting for Labour financial competence.
Whether local or national the evidence shows how you've blown it & no evidence that you have changed.
So.In your dreams John.
Watty
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 February 2011
13:4993486Nice to see all the partys coming onto the UKIP page it has put new life into it.Thank you please keep it up.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 February 2011
14:0893489interesting to see paulw being so super confident about the outcome next may, nearly red ed is leading an attack on seats in the south east.
dover is one of the targets.
Keith Sansum1
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20 February 2011
16:1393503quite an interesting share of views on the election results.
I know the local labour party wont be taking much notice of the new romney bye election result, a few labour people will so why all this?
i know that john isn't silly enough to believe that Dover's results next may will have any bearings on the new romney result.
At the end of the day did labour come close to winning? no it's about winning as i keep trying to explain to our vic.
if you use vic's comments in the past KCC bye election in dover then transfer it to new romney then yep ukip are in the poop.
but each election is different and people vote differently in elections whether they be local or national.
in may a few seats will change and may well affect the outcome and iv made my predictions the only person on here willing to do so, and not pro labour either!!!
with regard tio the local Dover bye election, the tories as john said hoped for a low turnout and enough people not voting for them to squeeze in, but it didnt happen and people saw through the tories
and the lib dems collapsed but that happened via the candidate and effort they put in, which wont be forgotten at future elections, and may have done lasting damage to the lib dems.
the result also put the ship uyp mr collor and msade him start posting again because he kniows his ime is numbred, as paulw says its a labour seat, and on the way back to the labour, the bye election was the first step towards that.
All the parties will be out there but for me not to many seats will change hands
looks like im the only brave one here to be honest enough to predict others cross there fingers in the hope they survive
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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20 February 2011
16:2193504seats to watch;
EASTRY
MIDDLE DEAL
NORTH DEAL
PRIORY MAXTON AND ELMS VALE
SHEHERDSWELL
CASTLE
WHITFIELD
cant see again gains by ukip, but there vote may increase and they will claim a hollow victory even WHEN losing by 400 or so
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 February 2011
16:3393507There are two seats on there I will be Standing myself and I am standing to win.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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20 February 2011
16:4693509big words those vic
standing in
and
winning
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 February 2011
18:4393517i am still bemused why reds like keith and john take a pop at vic and ukip.
the facts clearly show that they take votes from the blues and in close run contests give a red candidate victory.
alex being a former ukip advocate sussed this out and has defected to the blues cause.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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20 February 2011
18:5393519I think that this constant belittling of UKIP shows that they have the wind up.
Every party has to start somewhere and UKIP are not doing at all badly.
This country needs more choice instead of just the everlasting backwards and forwards from Blue to Red, with one undoing what the other one has done.
Let's have more parties, the more the merrier.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 February 2011
19:2093522Thank you Mr Connell for that,and you are right in your thinking we have seen over alot of years reds to blues and back again both have had some good years and both have had some bad years but we do need more choice and we are geting it now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 February 2011
20:1893529i suppose the down side of more parties joining in the political fray, coupled with the new alternative vote set up, could mean that vic would end up at no.10.
if so i hope he gets on well with cats.
