Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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23 January 2011
10:0289957Well all I can say Keith lets see what happens in May.
Keith Sansum1
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23 January 2011
10:2389958vic
i'm not over interested in may, but that said, i still don't see any breakthrough locally for UKIP.
it will be a proper bun fight in Whitfield
tory against tory.
whats also interesting is that UKIP may well this time save the skin of the lib dems.in whitfield.
but thats all i can see UKIP doing, being a protest party
never coming close, but it appears UKIP are happy never winning seats
and say its a success
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 January 2011
11:1689963keith
u.k.i.p's main aim is to force a referendum on the e.u. once that happns they will probably disband.
the only way they can force this is to continue taking votes from the blues until dave or whoever succeeds him gives in.
the winning of seats is not paramount.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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23 January 2011
12:5289972Well I will point out that UKIP as a party does not declare that it will disband once Britain left the EU.
UKIP could actually attract people who believe in original Labour ideals, ideals that go back to the days when work-contracts between employers and employees were important, and the wage could increase with experience rather than remaining at the minimum, and holiday and sickness money were built in, and redundancy guarantees too.
When textiles and many other imported products were produced locally, and people could generally find work.
I do not doubt that UKIP would be a likely partner of the Tories in a Coalition if the party achieved good results, possibly attracting many votes from the electorate who believe in original Labour ideals of once upon a time. But UKIP needs to re-organise the campaigning methods in order to succeed.
It's important that local candidates can convince local people with a credible programme. This is only possible if they have a chance to make known their programme. To simply wait until May is a guaranteed recipee to lose and make no headway whatsoever. UKIP relies heavily on local people to work locally, as any party would do. If enthusiasm and talent are wasted away, then UKIP will achieve little or no success!
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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23 January 2011
12:5889974Alexander, I've always understood that was it's declaration when it was set up, it's only policy was to get the UK out of the EU then it would disband. Perhaps I'm wrong, can you enlighten us with hard facts?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 January 2011
13:2589978i definitely remember nigel farage saying that a few years back ray.
maybe they have extended their ambitions.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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23 January 2011
13:3089980Despite all the protestations about euroscepticism, the Conservatives are the party of Europe. Ted Heath took us in and each successive Tory government since has embedded us ever more irrevocably. The most surprising contributor to the European project was Margaret Thatcher, she of the mighty handbag. Here are extracts from a superb speech about the Channel Tunnel by Lord Adonis, universally regarded as the finest Minister of State for Transport in decades, at the University of Kent in 2009:
"I have three observations on the history of the tunnel. First, it took us a century and a quarter to get over our deep-seated Euroscepticism and dig the thing. The Victorians didn't call it Euroscepticism; they called it "splendid isolation", but it amounted to the same thing. But secondly, once Lady Thatcher - of all people, such are the ironies of politics - decided the time had come to start digging, the treaty to build the tunnel was negotiated in barely 18 months, and the entire tunnel was completed in just eight years after that...............
................It was Lady Thatcher, in one of her remarkable pro-European acts of the mid-1980s, who put an end to this nonsense. Sir Nicholas Henderson, the first chairman of Eurotunnel and a former British ambassador to both France and Germany, said it was because she wanted to make a positive move towards our European partners after the years of wrangling over the EU budget; it was also part of her commitment to building a genuine European free trade area, as seen also in her support for the Single European Act and the 1992 single market programme. As I noted earlier, the negotiation of the Treaty of Canterbury took just 18 months. Let me therefore submit to you that Lady Thatcher has been much maligned as an anti-European. The Channel Tunnel ought to be credited as one of her principal historical legacies, ending more than a century of dithering and arguably contributing more than any other single institution besides the European Union to our European destiny. She may or may not welcome that reappraisal."
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.railway/2009-02/msg00402.htmlGuest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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23 January 2011
13:3589981Ray, I can assure you that Nigel Farage does not declare that UKIP should be disbanded once Britain left the EU. He's loking for people who believe in UKIP as a Party and want to work for prosperity in Britain.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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23 January 2011
14:5389988looks like UKIP has a lot to do between now and may.
and theres stil doubt about the views of UKIP
Are they a protesdt party and disband as howard indicates
peope need to know
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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23 January 2011
15:1989990UKIP is a main party and will stay like that we have our own Manifesto,and if
we ever came out of the EU ,UKIP would still be a party on its own.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 January 2011
18:2190000alex
re;post 1344
britain will never go back to its old industrial base as you wish for.
emerging economies like brazil will take over when china and india price themselves out of the market.
there are also a host of african nations queuing up to offer cheap labour.
our future lies in the financial service sectors and high tech industries.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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23 January 2011
19:1590006Building a tunnel to your neighbours and close trade partners does not imply that you wish to be governed by them.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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23 January 2011
19:2090007Dead right on that one Peter,well said.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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23 January 2011
19:2890010But it would be shortsighted not to see that it is a crucial step along the way, not forgetting that the "them" doing the governing include "us".
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 January 2011
19:3790012ed
you forget to mention john major signing the maastricht treaty.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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23 January 2011
19:4190013Yes indeed Howard, as encapsulated in my #1347: "Ted Heath took us in and each successive Tory government since has embedded us ever more irrevocably."
Brian Dixon
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23 January 2011
19:4390014so it was the torys fault that we are in a mess not ukips then.glad thats been cleared up then.
ed "them","us",no such thing.we are all in it together.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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23 January 2011
19:4990019My point exactly, Brian - the "them" doing the governing include "us", ergo, we are all in it together.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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23 January 2011
22:5090034I know full well we are all in it together. Just need to look at the unemployment figures and at the deficit figures of all EU countries to see how we are all in it together!
Does anyone know, by the way, how many people are unemployed in the 27 EU countries?
Gov's official figure for Britain is 5.1 million, having included a few million on incapacity benefits to the list.
I wish someone would write the figure for the unemployed in all 27 EU countries! And add up the national deficit of each of the same 27 states!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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23 January 2011
22:5490035Howard, the world's population increases every year. In some countries the population has doubled every thirty years.
My proposals for future Prosperity based on economic trade with other countries and continents, and therefore increased agricultural and industrial production in Britain for local and world demand, are not unrealistic.
This is also a UKIP policy, but UKIP needs to do more to bring the message over.