Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC wrote:
Peter might be right about Scargill but we all know when the truth comes out about Thatcher and it will, you will continue to ignore the facts as you always do.
I am very happy for it all to come out in the open GaryC.
What Mrs T did was right and proper, it was Scargill using the miners as a political weapon. Thanks to the defeat of the miners the Union menace was contained to the benefit of everyone.
Jan Higgins
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Thatcher and Scargill both used the situation to massage their own very large egos with the miners loosing out.
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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..."No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."...
Never give up...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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now the funeral is over i can only echo what jan says, i would add 2 revolting people that didn't care who they took down in their quest for victory.
richard's more subtle post sums things up well.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW
"Thanks to the defeat of the miners the Union menace was contained to the benefit of everyone".
How sad that you can rejoice in that scenario, the miners were not the menace.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Of course they weren't- the miners were the backbone of the country, doing a highly dangerous job for the benefit of the nation.
It's a pity that at the height of the strike, the union leadership didn't realise that they had Thatcher's American hatchet man on the backfoot. My feeling is, had there been more insight on the part of the union that there would have been enough of the industry left intact to modernise the industry en bloc and keep the mining communities where they deserved to be-in work.
Increasingly we find ourselves reliant on our our European neighbours for power resources. Not a very secure situation.
Never give up...
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Gary, they are not able to understand. They cannot see that all the political posturing was frowned upon by the majority of miners who just wanted to protect their industry. Thankfully, the support we recieved from millions of sympathetic individuals ensured that reason prevailed and the purpose of the strike was understood, despite and not because of those who chose to use extremes to make their point, on both sides of the political spectrum.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC wrote:BarryW
"Thanks to the defeat of the miners the Union menace was contained to the benefit of everyone".
How sad that you can rejoice in that scenario, the miners were not the menace.
I rejoice at the defeat of Trade Unionism because it was a menace to its own members, the UK economy as a whole and was a massive destructive force on jobs.
The miners were just tools of Scargill's extremist Marxist political ambitions. He did not have a national ballot but regional ballots and then tried to intimidate and force those regions who did not bow down to him into compliance. He had to be defeated under no circumstance could he be allowed to win. His defeat and the taming of the Unions was essential and every one of us has benefited from that.
Brian Dixon
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yes barry Maggie was a Marxist with stalin tendaces.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Lesley.
In BarryW case, he simply does not want to understand.
Collieries all over the country, even those that supported Thatcher, were closed, 1000's thrown into un-employment, whole families thrown into the benefit's scheme, local shops and business's, medical centres, welfare clubs and even schools all closed, followed by years of depression in our villages and communities.
Yet, according to BarryW.
"His (Scargill) defeat and the taming of the Unions was essential and every one of us has benefited from that"
BarryW.
Please tell me how all those miners' families and local business's that was closed, have benefited from the mass pit closures?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I think that Scargill and his ilk did need taming and much of the abuses by the union leaders needed to be curtailed, but it wasn't the miners, or their communities who needed punishing.
There have been improvements in clean-coal technology for some time now and so coal could have continued to be mined and
miners and their communities continue to work and thrive.
Scargill's motives were not good for the various mining communties; good men led by donkeys.
Roger
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Gary...and all `reasonable` posters..# 48 is the usual product of BW who presses a certain button on his computer
which is in a `set mode` to puke out the same obnoxious diatribe....it`s up to you of course and your choice to reply
but you will find its a waste of time as it is a terminal state of mind set..................
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But with all due respect Reg - all your postings are a terminal state of mind set too.
Roger
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GaryC wrote:Lesley.
In BarryW case, he simply does not want to understand.
Collieries all over the country, even those that supported Thatcher, were closed, 1000's thrown into un-employment, whole families thrown into the benefit's scheme, local shops and business's, medical centres, welfare clubs and even schools all closed, followed by years of depression in our villages and communities.
Yet, according to BarryW.
"His (Scargill) defeat and the taming of the Unions was essential and every one of us has benefited from that"
BarryW.
Please tell me how all those miners' families and local business's that was closed, have benefited from the mass pit closures?
I understand perfectly.
I understand how the Unions with their militancy, the restrictive practices, the closed shop damaged and destroyed whole swathes of British industry. Believe it or not I was once a member of the EEPTU.... not because I wanted to, but at least it was one of the more sensible Unions.
The mineworkers union, however, was one of the craziest particularly under Scargill.
Yes we all did benefit from the defeat of Scargill and the Unions in general. Yes, it was essential for renewed British prosperity. Freed from the strikes, freed from the closed shop, freed from the restrictive practices and freed from the bully boy thugs on picket lines and in mass meetings. Best of all freed from the malign influence of the Union on our political life, no more tea and biscuits at no10.
Those mining families who suffered hardship should blame their Union and Scargill in particular.
In the last week or so Norman Tebbit summed things up very well indeed when he was asked about the strike and the hostility to Mrs T. He likened her situation to that of Dowding in the Battle of Britain. He had to send half trained and inexperienced pilots into battle in the summer of 1940 who had not hope of surviving long. He did not like doing it but had to do it knowing these young men would mostly die, he had to do it because it was the right thing to do. That was very much like Mrs T who had to do what was necessary for the benefit of the country as a whole.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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both thatcher and dowding did it from the comfort and safety of their respective offices.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barry,so your saying that it was ok to put 1000s of people out of work,close down peoples livlyhoods [shops,pubs etc].and no dole payments to miners because they where miners and where sacked while on strike.well that's fair then isn't it.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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All I will say is the Ravens was a thriving pub that was well used by the miners................ it is now a very nice house.
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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You mean you actually let those horrible nasty miners in Jan
Audere est facere.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
The question was.
BarryW.
Please tell me how all those miners' families and local business's that was closed, have benefited from the mass pit closures?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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And Norman Tebbit also said the worst thing he regrets was not standing by thatcher when she was thrown to her friends.
Strange words for him to say, especially as she had so many enemies.
Who needs friends like that?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"