Residents meeting re; cgi development
- 27 January 2013 20:43212452Please don't Alex, anyway chance I will have changed my e-mail address by the time I retire and you have managed to change nationwide policy on port tolls
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 27 January 2013 20:47212453It's not Groundhog day Ray, Alexander has admitted that is is perfectly ok with some of CGI's proposals
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 27 January 2013 20:49212455Result!
- 27 January 2013 20:52212458He'll be in trouble with the residents now
Anyway how about Alexander if they built a hotel and conference centre in buildings that recreated the original Grand Shaft Barracks, would that meet your requirements of being "in line with the original architecture" ?Find me on Facebook Dover History Pages Group or Flickr
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 28 January 2013 02:06212469Probably not, Paul, as these would be added buildings that are not part of the Scheduled ANCIENT Monument.
The area has to remain ancient, otherwise we should cancel its status altogether.
The reason for my insistence in all this, is that if we do not keep in due regard a given status, such as SAM and AoONB, we would be operating outside of established requirements.
This was practically what hundreds of people were saying when in 2 hours they signed a petition.
If I broke with this principle, it would repeat itself over and again, and all laws and constitution could be side-lined and avoided and changed at will.
Let's suppose one day I were elected a councillor, and started changing the status of "Ville et Portus Dover" into "suburb of London". With whose authority?Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 January 2013 02:09212470Still wondering when Brian can give proof that Farthingloe is classed by DDC as "brownfield".Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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28 January 2013 06:42212474paul,alex will not be in trouble with the residents but allso with the person who pulls his strings. - Brian Dixon
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28 January 2013 06:44212475alex,i have no need to prove its what you say it is,the site speaks for its self.how can concreate be siantificly beautifull. - 28 January 2013 08:08212486Was the status of Dover Castle threatened when they built a new ticket office, will it be threatened more if they build a cable car up there?Find me on Facebook Dover History Pages Group or Flickr
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 28 January 2013 08:35212487But I am still interested in your fully funded proposal as is Keith. Am I right in thinking your plans rely on your never-to-happen nationwide port tolls?Find me on Facebook Dover History Pages Group or Flickr
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 28 January 2013 09:17212493There's a useful website here that allows overlays of various types of designated areas onto an Ordnance Survey map
http://www.kent.gov.uk/klis/default.asp
It's fairly obvious from this that just because an area is covered by an AONB it doesn't mean no building is allowed, e.g. following along from Farthingloe the next major areas covered are Capel and Hawkinge, plenty of building going on there recently. - Brian Dixon
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28 January 2013 10:28212507thanks for that ray,might come in use full at some point,but will give alex something to play with and keep him quite for half an hour. - 28 January 2013 16:20212544have hunted high and low to find the planning regulations but there seems no hard and fast rules and each applicartion is judged on its merits.
- 28 January 2013 16:40212547CPRE's consultation letter to Dover council regarding this application explains the planning regulations quite well Howard. If you ask Lara I'm sure she will forward you a copy.
- 28 January 2013 17:26212553The Heights are in desperate need of investment and despite what volunteers can achieve the decline is accelerating as time goes on in in my time of being involved.....
I was at the Drop Redoubt recently and the Roman 'Bredenstone' remains are falling apart more than ever after the extreme weather over the last year. It may only be a random lump of masonery but it is 2000 years old and as historic as the Heights themself, though it isn't as simple as bung a bit of mortar on it to stick it together and will probably be a costly job for English Heritage with specialist conservation skills required
Bricks are falling from the walls and there was a lot of mortar washed out of the pointing. Trees and buddleia growing from the walls is getting worse, drainage gullys are totally blocked up and water is pouring through the heritage.
And this the Drop Redoubt that is a "good" bit, but how long will it be safe to let people in and show them around? Cross the road to the North Centre and Detached Bastions and things are even worse!!
I am really struggling to know what the answer is. Where will the millions come from? EH and DDC don't have it. No-one has the match funding available to apply for Heritage Lottery funding.
I am sure there is no-one here (maybe Alexander only?) that wants the Heights just to be forgotten about, the potential ignored and nature just to take over ??
Maybe some "out of the box" thinking is what is needed, just look at the what some other forts have done/are doing. Is it a bad thing? They are still keeping their historic status, take a look:
http://www.fortgilkicker.com/
http://www.goldenhillfort.co.uk/
http://www.forthorsted.co.uk/
Fort Nelson in Portsmouth recently hacked a big hole on the ground to great an amazing new visitor centre and kept it's scheduled/listed status
http://www.royalarmouries.org/visit-us/fort-nelson
Over the water in Ostend Fort Napoleon has rather modern additions that somehow don't detract from the historic environment but still work
http://www.fortnapoleon.be
Look what they have done with Oxford Prison !
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 28 January 2013 17:30212555Incidentally in a few weeks I am attending the Fortifications at Risk symposium and hope to get some insights and ideas into what can be done. No where in the UK is there anything quite to the scale of what Dover has !
'Fortifications at Risk 2' will be held on 5th and 6th March 2013 in order to consider further how derelict fortifications may be preserved and re-used. In this second symposium emphasis will be placed on considering the practical aspects of how such fortifications can be re-used without these structures losing their historical integrity. Speakers from heritage bodies in the UK and from overseas, local groups involved with specific fortifications and architect practices will describe the problems they have faced and the solutions employed in preserving and re-using fortifications.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 28 January 2013 18:54212559I have some out of the box thinking that will raise a fortune! It involves Alexander, Paul and some inflatable sumo suits... A ticket only event
- 28 January 2013 19:04212561Post 147:
A regiment marched up military Road:
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 January 2013 19:32212565Mike Green wrote:I have some out of the box thinking that will raise a fortune! It involves Alexander, Paul and some inflatable sumo suits... A ticket only event
I'd rather spend my time and energy on going something good for the town rather than moaning from the sidelines....Find me on Facebook Dover History Pages Group or Flickr
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 28 January 2013 19:49212578The suggestion was more that you and Alexander roll around in the middle while we cheer from the sidelines...