Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Come visit Folkestone Road, Paul
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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I drive through it most days Alexander.
What are you doing to try and make Dover a better place ? Are you reporting these regular issues to the authorities?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Good question, Paul.
Each case I mentioned here is an offence. Some would be sorted out with a fine, one might have earned a prison sentence (tossing a suitcase from a bridge near a railway line).
The most common disgusting habit along Folkestone Road is the continuous flobbing on the pavement, and these are not English people! Some people have a disgusting habit and quite evidently have not been taught in English schools not to do it.
And if you're talking of social behaviour in guarded and inhabited areas, perhaps you didn't see the video to which there was a link on Dover Forum less than a month back, that was soon after removed from the Web. (Why?!)
In the centre of Dover a gang apparently smashed someone's jaw, and chased another person down Biggin Street and, cornering him, repeatedly attacked him. Right under everyone's eyes, even if it was night time.
The local Press apparently never reported it, and the Police apparently never called for witnesses, nor ever gave any explanation to the Public, unless I missed something.
Now back to the idealistic Western Heights Scheduled Ancient Monument with moats and woods and underground locations all to be protected by a few security guards 24/7 "somewhere outside a hotel"!
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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It is all rather simple....
About 50% of the Heights is already managed by the Home Officer so it secure and well maintained
IF the hotel and Farthingloe agreed than it would mean that the £5m heritage pot would be available (if they arent then it won't be). This money matched funded against grants that are available would mean that heritage regeneration would take place. If you are turning the Drop Redoubt and surrounding areas into a museum with exhibits you would expect that there would be permanent security, cameras, etc. Same as already exists at Dover Castle and how low level of these problems do they experience?
Added to the hotel with a 24/7 movement of people it would all add towards discouraging the issues currently experienced. I would not expect to be eradicated as that is impossible but it would definately be less appealing to people
Do we try and make the better place or would you rather we just let "Johnnie Foreigner" get on with ruining your town apart ??
Would you rather me and other volunteers gave up and went home?
Do you really enjoy tearing apart any suggestions I make just because I am willing to listen to the opportunities that are currently on the table?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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However, Paul, the SAM and AoONB status of respectively Western Heights and Farthingloe would become worthless.
Then we might as well prepare to give over Connaught Park and Pencester Gardens to developers.
It would come sooner or later as a result.
Traffic pollution would increase exponentially as a result of the CGI Planning going ahead.
As well as inconvenience caused by traffic in Green and Protected areas and the resulting journeys by car from these locations to the town and back.
We'd have surrendered for money!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There is also the fact, Paul, that Dover Castle is not easily accessible owing to the sheer walls surrounding it and the very deep moats. Thus a direct comparison with Western Heights could not be made, which is a lot easier to access for anyone trying to conduct some form of fly-tipping.
Therefore surveillance would prove very difficult and expensive if it were to be effective on WH.
Brian Dixon
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alex,please try to understand what paul is saying.its simple logic really.
Keith Sansum1
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I think I will make a few comments as poor peter w seems to be going round in circles;
Alexander;
In the past to be fair to peter w he has outlined(without secrets) everything that is being proposed in both areas
Whilst you oppose everything(which is your right) I have asked many times, what is your alrenative? without doubt it cannot stay as it is, and needs not just a tinkering at the edges, but large scale cash injection.
I may not fully agree(or prefer to make represntations purely on my concerns,( but recognising we cannot stand still on the western heights site)
I do need to make a quick comment on your Folkestone road commentl(living close by and having to use the folkestone road at least twice a day)
To refer to non english is probably comes from your ukip favour.
At the end of the day such anti social behaviour is done by all races and is an education challenge to all.
But there is a wider, bigger picture to be able to achieve this such as teachers, police, etc respected by all
big change in everyones outlook on how we want to live
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Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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So Alexender please do come up with a viable alternative as well as the where the funding will come from (and don't say "your" plan for a port toll !!!)
What will you do to stop the Heights just becoming a big rubbish tip?
Would you rather volunteers just gave up and just allowed the place to be vandalised and basically a no-go area after dark with the anti-social behaviour that is ife up there?
Personally I want the Heights to be saved from further deterioration and be an attraction as big as Dover Castle, this won't happen without a major cash injections from somewhere and probably some out of the box thinking. Do you want me to give up on this aim as I may as well stop trying today as I am not 'tinkering round the edges; for the rest of my lfe?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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paul he cant,but if he had his own opinion he might.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Paul(sorry about the naff gaff lol)
Keep up the good work, it will be interesting to see alexanders fully costed alternative
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,he hasent got one.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Alexander may feel that he is being 'clever' tearing apart any suggestion that I make about how the Heights could progress should CGI's plans come to fruition, but isn't doing anything that I haven't already done to my own thoughts !!!!
From day one I have been (and still am) open to all possibilities from doing nothing and the volunteers packing it in, to the CGI proposals, to other extreme hair-brained suggestions.
Alexander only has one opinion and that is essentially to do nothing, by opposing this I am merely covering one of my own options. If he started backing CGI I would just as easily try and break it down, just as I am already doing to myself. However doing nothing doesn't really leave much for discussion other than a whole load of cons and very few pros....
I feel I'd be doing the heritage injustice by not considering all options equally, likewise I would expect EH and DDC to give them appropriate consideration. I am sure 99% of people on here would agree with this?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Paul,
we may not agree on all your proposals(and those of others)
but to do nothing is not an option
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Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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I don't have any proposals Keith, I am a mere individual nobody that has suggestions on what could happen if the CGI plans are agreed !!
DDC may give outline planning permission but the ultimate say on what happens is down to English Heritage......
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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paul wells
hope you dont start picking me up on my words,
you know what i mean, others have the proposals, but you have ideas for the heights
thats why i said and others
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith: "To refer to non english is probably comes from your ukip favour."
Utter waffle!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,you can get pills for utter waffle,history people will tell you.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, if I can't say what I want to say, then I won't say anything!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, tell Keith that
