Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#61
Well said Paul.
The Western Heights and other (lcal) historical sites, should form the backbone of Dover's regeneration. God knows we have more than enough sites for Dover District to be a Tourist destination, whether for a short-break, or a week or two.
The Tourism Strategy I've written should be used as the basis for this, but instead it is languishing on my laptop, ignored by the very people who could/should be making a difference.
Is it a case of those in authority don't care and those who care don't have the authority ?
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#62
If ever I make any proposal, it is systematically taken apart and ridiculed and cut up into shreds, on a systematic and categorical basis.
The Western Heights are fine as they are, with green nature: let's hope it stays that way!
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#63
Ridiculed Alex? Simply telling you what real life is like !!
Wish I knew about the Turret Phil - Jon Iveson secured some money a few years back and EH were doing some sort of conservation report on it. WHPS had hoped to be involved in opening it up once the floors had been made safe and electric replace. Seems to have all died off once the grand Terminal 2 scheme came up....
Brian Dixon
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#64
paul,what do you know of the museam/visitor center up at the redoubt.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#65
They are geting the gun ready to use again it is going to be turn round on Berlington house
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#66
Brian - the museum/visitor centre is part of the justification for the £5million heritage fund and ideas of concepts to try and provide the details that English Heritage need to see to be able to consider the proposals for the CGI developments.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#67
A museum visitor-centre on Western Heights would be fine, without all the rest of CGI's irrelevant planning that have nothing to do with a Scheduled Ancient Monument.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#68
... and the millions required to make it safe, accessible, restored, staffed, etc, etc etc comes from ?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#69
I understand that point. Paul, but this does not detract from my firm stance, that the SAM WH should not be given development that does not befit its description and status.
The same applies for Farthingloe.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#70
thanks for your answer paul,31 houses and a hotel to make it possable.regardless to what any one says.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#71
A well built hotel, which is impressive rather than a 'Travelodge box', *could* be the boost that the Heights needs as well as providing a security presence and deter the anti-social behaviour, vandalism and fly-tipping that is rife
That said, without Farthingloe being agreed in it's entiriity nothing will happen on the Heights....
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#72
A lot can happen on Western Heights without the CGI Farthingloe development proposal going ahead.
That said, I simply cannot see the connection in Paul's idea that, if you build a hotel and 30 odd houses on WH, plus a conference centre, all fly-tipping and any other anti-social behaviour on Western Heights will stop.
Paul has himself told us in the past that the Western Heights area is very large:
does anyone believe that a hotel would mean that the waiters, guests and cooks would be patrolling the whole Heights day and night to make sure no-one commits anti-social behaviour in a large area - many times larger than the site where a hotel would stand?
There are already houses at Braddon and Knights Templar, and across Military Road opposite Knigthts Templar:
Does adding another 30 odd houses to these already existing housing estates mean that all of Western Heights will suddenly become clear of fly-tipping and graffiti-spraying?
Would there be vigilantes patrolling the area stemming from these 30+new houses?
Yes Paul, if CGI are planning to build houses for paid vigilantes, then perhaps your theory might just hold water
but who would pay these vigilantes?
Hopefully this odd theory of yours is refuted once and for all.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#73
I was talking about CGI developments Alexander, without Farthingloe there won't be a £5m heritage fund for the Heights.
Do you really not understand how a hotel and conference centre with security and a 24/7 presence on the Heights will detract from vandalism and stopped the fly-tipping and d*gging in adjacent areas ??
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#74
No, Paul, I do not understand.
Security guards (if any ever were employed) would only keep an eye on the hotel and conference centre.
They would not go all round the Western Heights, unless they were specifically paid to do so and their numbers were many...with various shifts in order to respect a 24 hour service to fully cover the Heights.
Something I quite simply am not prepared to believe.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#75
Adding to that, a security guard guarding a hotel would not have authority to arrest a person fly-tipping or spraying a Scheduled Ancient Monument (say, 2 miles away from the hotel on the other side of a moat). Even if they wanted to intervene, they couldn't.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#76
Do Tesco staff go out and arrest people? No !
Are people discouraged from vandalism, rubbish dumping and other antisocial behaviour at Tesco because there is a permanent presence and movement of people? Yes (generally) !
Simple as that?
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#77
PS the Heights are 1 mile from end to end
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#78
Paul, Tesco covers an area a lot smaller than Western Heights.
Western Heights is a very extended area, with trees, bushes, moats, woods...
Even if you had a hotel on Western Heights, the staff could not possibly cover the whole territory you are mentioning, and not even 1 % of it, to be quite honest.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#79
Actually, Paul, a year or so ago I saw someone simply tossing a suitcase over the railway bridge in front of Priory Station in Folkestone Road, in broad daylight, with people on the street and cars going by. Non-English was clear to see.
I had no authority to march him to the Police Station, as much as I'd have liked to (and would have).
Recently I saw a woman -non-English- with a pram and five children walking down Folkestone Road, place an empty plastic drink bottle on a wall, which fell down with the wind 5 seconds later.
It could easily have been thrown in the bin.
Along Folkestone Road, one man - English! - deliberately lets his dog plop always in the same place, puts it in a brown bag, and leaves the bag along the pavement. Today there were 5 such bags there.
All in broad daylight with passing traffic, people walking along the pavements, and regular Police patrols.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#80
I'll pack up and get my coat......
