Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Post 20 appears to be in denial of post 19, Howard!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex my dear old friend post 19 is a hotch potch of chinese whispers and second hand accounts whilst post 20 is a clear account by someone actually present.
Brian Dixon
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thats wot i thought howard,i think alex is in one of his contensious moods.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Loraine has just asked me to post this statement on behalf of her and Alan:
"It is still outside Dover DC's Core Strategy, adopted in 2010; and neither of the sites are listed in the supporting Strategic Housing Land Allocations Assessment (SHLAA).
If DDC go ahead and give permission, then the whole planning process to develop the Core Strategy has, effectively, been destroyed."
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I think there still needs to be an answer on whether DDC and CGI have had discussions on bypassing the core strategy.
There might be a case for requesting minutes of any meetings DDC have had with CGI under Public Transparency regulations.
There is also a 2 hour petition with over 500 signatures requesting the rejection of the CGI planning application in its entirety.
We've got to make sure that Local Gov. plays according to the rules.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,i'm affraid that planning notices are allready up around fartingloe and wetern hieghts.so a bit late for petions etc.
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Many of the policies adopted by the planning committee have been worked on for so many years that hey are restrictive and out of date. The whole lot needs looking at. Lets set them aside and use common sense instead.
In the meantime we have a scheme that will do far more good for our town than bad. We need to get with the programme here people! Open up the heritage site for everyone to enjoy (tourism) build houses that we need (housing) and the whole thing creates jobs (work). Win win. The heritage site will fall apart without the investment this will bring. No one else is offering any cash are they! (or have I missed something?). The grass and the snakes with grow and slither again so don't be hung up on the AONB, it doesn't look that great now, so I don't understand the fuss.
Dover is on the brink of really good stuff happening, this is part of it so lets hope they cut through the crap and get on with it sooner rather than later!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, the petition has already been made.
Simon, building houses on Western Heights and at Farthingloe has nothing to do with regenerating a Scheduled Ancient Monument.
And if you believe that local, or even British people in general, would be mostly employed to build any houses, you are on a misleading track. Wherever I go in Dover, I see people working on building sites who are contracted from other countries.
All that talk about local jobs and apprenticeships is plain and simple humbug. We needn't believe half a word of all that!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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simon is right about the heritage benefiting from more houses and footfall up there.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In the past, Howard, I've pointed out to WHPS members that there is plenty of work to be done on Western Heights such as removing graffiti from brick walls, or painting over it if it is on cement walls.
Or having a lose brick repaired that otherwise could fall on someone's head.
Such jobs need authorisation, but they do not require any great expenses in money.
There is no need to build houses in order to finance these basic works.
A fund of £30.000 would probably see the area free of decades of old graffiti and lose bricks replaced properly once the offending root that dislodged them were removed.
And that includes all graffiti, even on the Farthingloe WWII anti aircraft battery ruins, as well as the Western Heights monuments.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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disagree alex serious money needs to be pumped in to make the monuments attractive enough to make the general public want to visit them. volunteers can only do so much with willing hands.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I'm not talking of volunteer work, here, Howard.
To remove graffiti or paint over it (if on cement), or to repair lose bricks, should be paid work.
Hence a grant of tens of thousands of pounds for such essential, yet straight forward, works.
Keith Sansum1
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Lara
thankyou for a more detailed report of the meeting
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Jan Higgins
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Is there some sand around for the ostrich to stick it's head in.
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SWWood- Location: Dover
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Alexander, your ideas would be fine if it was just a case of graffiti and a few loose bricks. Unfortunately it is massively more complicated than that.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Yes, Stuart, but we could start on the straight forward tasks that cost comparatively little money.
That would be enough to attract visitors, as well as repairing loose bricks so that they don't fall on someone.
If even that can't be done, then any other money is better spent elsewhere.
While I don't personally repair loose bricks, I do know it is a simple task, obviously requiring the appropriate safety measures for the worker/s. As for paining over graffiti or removing it from bricks, and repainting rusty doors and covering the graffiti on them, it is a straight forward task, again requiring appropriate safety precautions including masks.
A limited fund would suffice to pay workers and materials. Nothing to do with building houses.
If I want to paint a door in Dover, I don't build ten houses at Farthingloe or in Canterbury to finance it.
I just get some sand-paper, a pot of paint, a brush, and do the job, and collect my wage when the work is accomplished.
I do it in military fashion, without discussions. Plain and simple.
SWWood- Location: Dover
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Alexander, you might find that if you were painting the door of a scheduled ancient monument it wouldn't be quite so straightforward.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Stuart, I know what the doors on Western Heights SAM look like. They need painting regularly like all iron doors do.
Sanding, undercoat (2 recommended), overcoat (2 recommended).
It goes quick, usually using a roller.
Avoid one thick overcoat, as this will peel off eventually.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander
I have promised myself I will stay calm and respond in a nice way, now,,,,,,,,,,,,
Without the doubt and you have agreed in the past, the western heights does need a substantial amount of dosh just to survive
painting a few doors doesn't solve the problem, in fact it add's to it
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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english heritage have made no comment so far on the revised plans which surprises me.