Keith Sansum1
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as i said howard it poses even more questions
so as i said peter and i will have to agree to disagree on this one
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I would suggest that the logical definition of the 'surrounding areas' is the Dover District.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Which Deal is part of, yes or no?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Of course. It would not be fair to ask Deal residents to subscribe without including their town in the area of benefit.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don;'t think so gary, the document says neighbouring areas not surrounding areas.
neghbouring to me means adjacent to, there is approx 6 miles between dover and deal.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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the debate goes on and on
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Jan Higgins
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Agreed Keith. DDC includes Deal but not Folkestone which is also 'neighbouring'.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, the wording about neighbouring areas is not only vague, but misleading.
How such a document can be put to referendum, is surprising, and the seeds for dispute and controversy are sewn in the small print.
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at last people starting to wake up
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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This is a fairly minor point in the overall scheme of things but I do suggest Peter that it should be clarified, perhaps by an amendment, in order to satisfy any pedants and/or to prevent a referendum being derailed by small details.
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BarryW. Just to clarify, my intention is not to derail anything, it is to understand PP. Whether Deal is included or not, might be small detail to you but not for many other's.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Instead of neighbouring, how about within as an example 'a 10 mile radius'.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Do we really want Folkestone to benefit given what a certain billionaire has been pouring in there while Dover has been ignored?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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You can take the area of benefit to cover the same area within which residents may become shareholders. That means DDC boundaries define the area. That is not to say that projects outside that area would not be considered if there is a tangible benefit to Dover.
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Jan.
The Constitution, if it is taken up, clearly state's
Objects
A2) the association is formed for the benefit of the community. Its objects shall be to carry on for the benefit of the community within England and Wales and in particular the Town of Dover and its neighbouring areas (the "Area of Benefit"):
That covers all areas in England & Wales. That gives its ruling body, freedom to benefit all of those said areas, which could include Deal.
My interest is, do the ruling body intend to benefit Deal, as well as Dover?
Being free to do so, does not mean, it intends to do so.
Peter believes it should include Deal but I have to say, it is these intentions that should be clarified and can be clarified, prior to any referendum.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Gary - the referendum is of course exclusive to Dover Town, not that it stops you from getting the approriate support to get one in Deal, so the question is perhaps less important for the Dover referendum. I do agree though that this matter should be better defined ideally before the referendum takes place.
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BarryW.
I very much doubt a referendum in Deal, will ever take place. It is only being done in Dover to bring pressure on the minister, which rather makes it pointless and a waste of money, maybe not for those pursuing the PP but certainly for the majority of Dover people, in my opinion.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i must admit to surprise that such a detailed document was so vague on this issue.
usually the people that draw up such things have teams of people going through with a fine tooth comb to spot any problems.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It is being done in Dover because the Local Government Act dictates that referenda should be held only at a town or parish level. Any supporters who are outside the town area are welcome to petition their own parish council for a referendum requisition but I think many residents would take a dim view of the cost being charged back to them by DDC. Especially the powers that be in Deal.
Any support out there for a referendum in Deal Town?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In fact, when I read that the objects of the trust are the community of England and Wales, as well as the community of Dover, and the wider area, I was wondering if Charlie is aiming at the seat in 10 Downing St., trying to impress people that p/p will bring in massive sums of money to England and Wales. I wondered why he left out Scotland, though.
Clearly, the whole idea has run into a shambles, a complete mess. Dover, the wider area, England and Wales, but not Scotland....?
