Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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19 January 2010
22:1138303HOWARD
Think iv made the point, if i were part of the other political parties i would be leaving Nigel and party out to dry.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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19 January 2010
22:2138307But Howard they should be affected,a decrease in DDC ok small,and a rise in DTC if they take them on,only a larger rise than the small decrease.The problem is you will get your 4.95% increase at DDC even with them 'selling' off the Toilets,Tourism,etc and there is more to come,watch the playing fields,then the Town Council who were having a 0% increase will if they take on everything a 10%-perhaps even 20% increase.
Now DDC's increase say will be just over £6.00 a year on band B,The Town council's increase will be just over £5 a year at 10% or on 20% a £10 a year increase,so a increase of between £11 to £16,depending on what the Town Council take on.If they decide not to take on the toilets and I am not a Town Councillor so I don't know,the rise will be DDC £6 and DTC £0,this of course doesn't take into account any increase from KCC, Kent Police Authority of Kent Fire and Rescue.Now the arguement may be that is little to pay for having public toilets,that is not for me to decide.
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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19 January 2010
22:2338308Thanks Ross we posted virtually the same thing at the same time.
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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19 January 2010
22:4338310Paul W your numbers add up to £77,000 because you have omitted Connaught Park toilets which would probably make it £86,000.If DTC took on the toilets and thier gross spending is £625,650 and only took on the toilets,not tourism not anything else.For those of you not very good at arithmetic let me help.
DTC Income £625,650. With the increase on toilets as Paul Watkins said an increase of £86,000. A 10%increase on DTC precept would raise £62,565, 1% would be £6,256 x4 a so without taking on any other 'gift'from DDC the increase would be 14% bringing in an extra £87,589 on top of your DDC increase of 4.95%
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Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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19 January 2010
23:0938312jOHN
You make a fair point, and I have requested from D Hannant (or any other town cllr)the additional cost to the taxpayer if the town council takes on new projects;
IE Tourism etc etc
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 January 2010
23:2238320ross
taking of simple, please re read the posts from the council leader.
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19 January 2010
23:3738322Ross Miller
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20 January 2010
01:2738330Keith. you beat me to it.
Howard, no disrespect, but do the maths
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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20 January 2010
09:5138345Well I have been to bed and it a bit like Ground Hog Day .Some people on here only read what they want to see .John what makes you think the DDC council tax will go up by 4.9% The budget meeting has not been held yet and more than likely the capping will be at 3.% this year..You are a lovely guy but you do not understand the figures .
To go back in time many years ago when DDC could set the rent levels with no interference from central government we used to have a paper clearly stating what effec t rent increases would have .
The Labour councillors failed to see if you only had 2.% increase tenants would not get many improvements to their homes however if they went up by 10% the improvemrnts would be very good .Considering at that time 70% of tenants got a rebate the increases did not effect them
When the Labour administration took over and rent levels were set much lower the back log of maintenance grew yeaer by year and gradually our stock did not reach Decent Homes standard .Whar a legacy
20 January 2010
11:4638354Keith
I replied about what the cost would be - I dont know yet! it depends on what you want and what information I have by tonight, when I said i would get as much info as I could together - we are working on that daily and esp today. If we had a total I would give it but it just isnt that simple and I repeat myself when I say that we need to know what this eves meeting has as priorities. Its called consultation.!!
I do wish on this thread some of you could get off politics. It has been pointed out that there are two issues and I am not interested at the moment in blaming everyone or anyone. I am interested in knowing what the need is for a tourist office in the town or even planting and tidying. I have said we can't do everything
It proves that Politics ARE messing with local matters and despite the flack saying there were no politics at Town level it is so and has been for many years. I don't believe that the Town should be subject to politics and that is why the Dover Alliance exists. I am getting on with this job because I am Dovorian and want the best result.
So lets have constructive comments.
D
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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20 January 2010
14:2238358I'd be interested to hear what possible constructive comments could arise from a situation where public toilets have been closed without notice or obvious reason. It strikes me that the only good that can come from this is that Dover Town Council may yet end up with responsibility for them instead of Dover District Council who don't seem - pardon a dreadful pun here - to give a s**t.
Even the most basic 'A' level course will tell you, David, that Politics & Economics are inextricably linked, and your plea to leave politics out of this are rather naive, I feel. And, as a Town Councillor yourself, do you not feel that the closure of the toilets immediately behind Maison Dieu House is, in itself, a huge political gesture from a desperate District Council?
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20 January 2010
14:3738359Andy - I was making the point i hope that the generality of who did what to whom is a seperate issue to the question that is what do the public want from here in so we can get down to finding a solution. We have the opportunity to look at this challenge (sic) anew now rather than just keep financing as before.
party politics should have no place in what we do.
I do have A level economics actually but wont comment on your last sentance......
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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20 January 2010
16:0138360Penultimate sentence, if I'm being pedantic, David, however I take your point: no attempt at being patronising was intended. Party politics should have no place in what we do, unfortunately it does all too often, though. If we concentrated on working together instead of fighting each other, we'd save ourselves a shed load of money and move the town forward.
On the other hand, you get crass decisions to shut toilets without rhyme or reason, and purportedly whilst the whole bang shoot is being negotiated upon. And this isn't political? Do I look like I came up the Manchester Ship Canal on a cream cracker?
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 January 2010
17:5838372Costs per toilet...
Stembrook £9,824.41
Maison Dieu £24,884.18
Buckland Bridge £17,875.13
Esplanade £8,686.98
East Cliff £15,935.54
Total £86,984.77
Never mind the politics for that amount each year I will clean the bogs.No problem.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
20 January 2010
17:5938373I so agree of course .I've got a busy evening ahead it seems - and a busy week...
pen or not I dont wish to comment on the closure question - the answer has already been given by others.
20 January 2010
20:5438379Jeez - I have been unable to look in for a few days and when I return there are 4 more pages of stuff about toilets!!!! Is it so difficult to see that, at a basic level, we all need to have somewhere to take a whizz? Tourists, shoppers, visitors, all need to tiddle. Nowhere to tiddle = reduced footfall. It works for me in Wexford - I don't go there as much when I am over the water (see what I did there?) because of the bog situation!! And if anyone is about to make a funny about Ireland and bogs, don't!! I have already heard it or said it!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 January 2010
21:3538389quite right bern, you must have heard them all by now, for peats sake.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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20 January 2010
23:0138391Evening guys and girls, well i attended a packed evening tonight, it was I thought a good one.
The Town council(unlike the District) has been open and honest.
So where do we go from here? Iv made my position clear tonight and will relaying this to the District(but from the toilets closing they probably wont listen)
Didn't see you there Howard, shame could have had a chat.
Managed to have a chat with some forumites when they FORCED ME into the pub
COLLETTE
Hope you were not offended tonight
Paulb
Remember all I said and I won't mention the front page again lol
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 January 2010
23:0938393i had to be somewhere else in town earlier keith, came past about 7 Pm, thought it would be rude to join in halfway.
how did you upset colette, hope you realise that her barry is adept in the skill of duelling?
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20 January 2010
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