Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I think your a wee bit harsh there Howard...not quite nauseating if you are on the receiving end as its doubtful if these music festivals would happen otherwise.
Jan yes the Dover Music Festival received substantial sponsorship money from the Community Fund
Guys like Roger Knight and indeed the Bishop are independent panel members and they distribute the cash independently of the Port.
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Dover Music Festival is a non-profit three-day event, providing music and fun for the local community in Dover.
The Port of Dover Community Fund is being used to help cover the costs of the event, including band fees, stage hire, lighting, sound and engineers.
Roger Marsden, Director of Dover Music Festival, said: "The contribution from the Port of Dover Community Fund has played a major part in the financial viability of the project. A consensus of people attending over the 3 days was one of amazement that such a fantastic and unprecedented event could have been organised in our town by a small group of committed local people, giving their time and resources freely. It looks as if we are well on our way to "putting our town back on the map!"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The various groups will indeed be happy with the funding Paul but it is the bigger picture that most people see through. Firstly the money earmarked for next year is a lot lower because the harbour board won't need the sweeteners in their view.
Losing the pier and a lot of our beach to be replaced with a vista of freight sheds is more important to Dovorians as evidenced by the objections to the plans from all directions. Should there be any work done on the pier prior to the planning meeting there will be direct action in the form of protests and the national media will be notified. They love Dover because of the strange stories that come out, the latest being dressing gown gate, add to that we will be the only coastal town getting rid of a pier when the rest of the country are trying to save their ones.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Thanks Neil and Paul,.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Final day for commenting on the application and the Dover Society have finally decided that they are "neutral"!!
So much for being concerned about our heritage.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Here are the decision makers, 2 out of 3 of my local councillors are on it.
http://moderngov.dover.gov.uk/mgCommitteeMailingList.aspx?ID=136howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Objections still being accepted on the DDC website, I still cannot understand why the Dover Society has remained neutral on the issue. The fact that Derek Leach is Chairman and involved with DHB doesn't look good on the face of it.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Wouldn't say they are neutral Howard, they say they would only support it if 4 conditions are met, knowing full well that 3 are highly unlikely to be met and the only one probable is cladding of the sheet piling, which is irrelevant to the main arguments.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Hadn't seen their full report Ray, just found it under documents. A good and measured objection from Pat Sherratt in a private capacity makes good reading.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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As it has been raining heavily I decided to go through the various objections, missing out the ones based on history and emotional attachment although they are valid of course.
The decision from the committee has to reflect whether this is of overall benefit to the district and whether everything is clear and above board. The application falls short on both in my view. It goes without saying that loss of the pier and some of the beach and freight sheds added to our eye line will be a complete turn off for locals and visitors alike. Nothing is clear about what we will get after the proposed vandalism by DHB if they get their way.
Apologies for going over old ground but the original plans showed the pier open to everyone but for the first third of the length(approx) there would be pleasure craft either side so we would have to walk a bit before seeing the great views plus we would lose a tiny bit of beach. No new fully detailed plans have emerged, just some artists impressions and vague mutterings of regeneration(always go down well with the public) so in my view DDC have to say thanks that was interesting, now would you please apply again giving full details of your plans.
Guest 1391- Registered: 1 Nov 2014
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As 128 post refers, Pat gives a measured view, this application should have been accompanied by one that shows what is to be to replace it. When on the promenade on Sunday I noticed several new notice boards showing the redevelopment plans, still giving impression that we will still have the beautiful view looking back to the beach, complete with a walk way and what looks like a cafe as there are tables and chairs on a different level but overlooking the new marina. But when?
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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The below picture shows what is basically a shortened pier, but in a different position obviously, towards the middle of the harbour.
Is the plan that the curved wall to the west of the marina will also have public access?
http://www.doverport.co.uk/administrator/tinymce/source/images/DWDR.jpgRoss Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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My last conversation with DHB reps left me with the impression that they haven't decided if the new "marina arm" will have full public access or just access to fisherman who have presumably paid or perhaps no one.
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Karlos- Location: Dover
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I noticed in the advert in the local papers this week that for some reason public access on the curved pier only goes to where the little boat is and nowhere near the end of that pier.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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I had an interesting chat with someone at the DHB stand at Regatta about how the development was a done deal and that the pier was closing in a couple of weeks to start work, all very convincing until I asked about planning permission etc... and a very quick backtrack that nothing can be done until they get planning through. Also questions about the new marina and pier were met with vague promises about how lovely it will be, again until asked when and sheepishly was told it would be after the cargo port was finished and then only if studies say it is viable.
if I knew nothing about the development and proposals I would have been convinced it was all ready to go.
They also have a petition for people to sign if they support the regeneration of the western end for the benefit of the town and community.
Must congratulate them on a great attempt to brainwash the public though even the free balloons for the little ones just say we support and on the other side the port of Dover logo, full marks for effort DHB.
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I had a look at the propaganda that adorned their stand Reg and heard one of their people reeling off his spiel to a young couple who probably don't know their record on duff utopian visions.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Why do you keep on about the D.H.B. and its plans ,if you look at all the companys big and small that have come and gone ie-The mines,chair factory ,D.E.W paper mill and many more ,but the port is still here still giving jobs to 100s of men and women ,the port must move on with the times or it will end up like the rest ,still here but there will be no jobs just a small amount to keep it open, BOTH councils and the folk of Dover need to be all on the same side that way we will all move forward making Dover a much better place to live in and to visit .Stop all this in fighting .What I would like to see is more of a link up by the ways of bridges and underpaths to the front, this will join the port up more with the town.
With the shops etc coming and a more up todate port Dover will move upwards.If the port had been sold off the the D,PP it would have put Dover back 50years because it would have had to pay back a loan of some £500million .As I have said many times before at this time the port is in the best hands.
I go back many years from 1942 and seen Dover with just one 2000ton ferry and the cars were put on the ship by a net seeing the port as it is today with the ships at about 30.000 tons roll on and off this has been done by D,HB. puting its funds back into the port .
You can go round the UK seeing ports that did not do that and now are gone or like Folkestone, Ramsgate ,and many more just for sailing boats,etc ,We have one of the best ports in the world and to keep it that way is must keep up todate, yes some it might be seen not working for the good of Dover at this time but Dover will still be a major port in 200years time because of the way it moves onward and upward.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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One more thing is how many of us have a plan to take on next year and as time move on we find because what has happen over a few weeks that can not take place or you have to change it around just think if that was a ten or twenty year plan ,and that is what the DH,B. AND the D.D.C. try to do. and things are going happen in that ten or twenty years that will mean that they have to look and change that plan to meet up with what is happing now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Thankfully not everyone is taken by spin machines. Mines close and companies relocate whilst Dover will be the shortest sea route to Europe from here until Armageddon. DHB are not offering a plan but a vision of what we could get if we cowed down nicely. The fact that they had a petition with them today suggests that don't expect their planning application to be passed on the 17th of next month.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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That petition means nothing only sighed by a few in the D,D,there is about 90.000 I am not taken in by anyone just using my eyes and seeing what has happen in Dover more then 70years like many others you have come from outside to live in Dover and do nothing more then run the place down. Over 20years a plan and vision are the same.You might cower down your words not mind but I say what I think.The only spin machines I see are 10p ones.The planning application will walk it .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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The London Fancy Box company is still in business.