Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,316
I noticed the gates were closed when I drove past at 07.00 yesterday morning. I thought it might just be an overnight thing so I went back at 11.00 today.
I've been away for a few days so I've missed what might have been occurring.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
The next planning meeting is this coming Thursday and it is not on the agenda.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,087
I'm informed that the pier is closed this morning due to inclement weather conditions.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
what inclement weather conditions,is it because vic ans dhb are blowing hot and cold,or did some one have a tin of baked beans for breakfast.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
The very best is my tins of baked beans ,and taking the pills.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
I see mr waggott having another whinge at Dover's residents for not supporting the western docks project, a veiled threat of not going ahead with the project, but showing himself up again for not actually listening to the community. He talks about the opposition to the development with regard the planning application but clearly has failed to note the majority of people are only opposed to the pier closure not the redevelopment of the western docks, but in his mind that means they don't want any redevelopment.
He also blames the lack of community directors on objectors to the new harbour revision order but won't explain who or what they are. This is the new era of openness and community involvement, seems much like the old one to me.
his comments re. the community fund are hilarious saying not wanting to Chuck money at organisations because of p***ing it DOWN the wall! is it not up the wall?
In simple terms Tim we support the western docks revival but would really like to keep our pier, if we can't can we have a guarantee that we will get a new one, please.
Arte et Marte
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
You have already been told 100s of time that the pier will reopen when all the work has been done and not only that it will be alot better then it is now.I think Mr Waggotts write up in the paper is true and very good.
The D.H.B. is trying its very best to help groups and the town ,and if was me running the D.H.B. by now I would be very fed up with just a few keeping on about it and I would just say well get on with it .and we will just run the port .But they are not saying that are they ,they are helping and doing as much if not more then our own town council, so just for once get behind them and say thank you and just wait and see how it all turns out.As I said before there is over 90.000 public out there saying nothing,it just the very few that keep on and on and they do not know anymore then the rest of us.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Go into the sea news and see the real work being done in the port and what the public say about it from round the world.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Go into the sea news and see the real work being done in the port and what the public say about it from round the world.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
The main objectors to the port's draft HRO are DTC, DPPT, the Unite Union and Charlie. The HRO does not encapsulate the changes outlined by the ports minister in April 2014 with regard to community representation on the board of DHB. DHB say the works will safeguard 140 jobs (stick) and create 600 more (carrot) which the donkeys of the town are expected to swallow without sight of any studies or independent projections. All the FOI requests I have submitted to the DfT on subjects related to DHB have been knocked back so it is only fair to draw the conclusions that DHB do not want community representation on their board and that their studies concerning job creation are less than robust. Did you know that a few years ago (allegedly) DHB commissioned a consultant's report entitled 'How to distance the Port of Dover from its decaying hinterland.?' The objections to the PoW pier application arise primarily from the lack of clarity in the DHB's statements as to its future intentions. We all want redevelopment in the western docks but I for one would like to see some proper feasibility studies showing why Dover, with two cargo berths, can make money in the long term out of containerised freight when Thames Gateway is struggling.
The Dover Harbour Board is a public body and needs to start behaving as if it were accountable to the public.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 1416- Registered: 20 Nov 2014
- Posts: 77
If DHB can't even hang a poster properly, why should they expect us to trust them with our precious pier, let alone the future re-generation of Dover for our children and their children's children ?
A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.
Guest 1416- Registered: 20 Nov 2014
- Posts: 77
Thank you, Peter, for your measured and intelligent comments, thank goodness there are a few people left in Dover that cannot be fooled by DHB's false rhetoric and finger-in-the-air projected employment numbers!
A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
All we want is openness from DHB and their DfT overlords and a willingness to embrace community involvement in the governance of the port.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
The fact of the matter is that the Ports Minister declared it to be a "Community Port" not a plaything for blokes wearing nice suits in posh offices. At no stage has DHB promised to return the pier to public use and the public know this hence 350 odd people made the effort to object on the planning website. The moment dismantling starts the the mass media will be onto it making Dover a laughing stock on TV and in the newspapers. All around the coast groups of people - volunteers, councils etc pull out all the stops to keeping their run down piers while here we are vandalising a listed pier in perfect condition.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
When you cannot find anything to post about you turn to The D.H.B. just trying to get a headline. I would hate to have any of you on a jury you would hang the poor person without a hearing.T he pier is far from being in a perfect condition anyway rust is eating away alot of the steel work but you would not know that because you walk with you eyes closed.
Andy B
- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,820
They surely could have dealt with the rust etc,after all its not like they couldnt afford it,DHB really couldnt give a b******s about what the majority of Dover people really want. Our pier! They,ll just shut it regardless and do what they will.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,892
Vic Matcham wrote:When you cannot find anything to post about you turn to The D.H.B. just trying to get a headline. I would hate to have any of you on a jury you would hang the poor person without a hearing.T he pier is far from being in a perfect condition anyway rust is eating away alot of the steel work but you would not know that because you walk with you eyes closed.
Here we go again, Vic defending the DHB.
If there is anyone I would hate to have on a jury it would be blinkered Vic.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
There will always be people that tug the forelock, bow the head and bend their knee to the authorities. We have all moved on and question the motives and actions of those who misuse their power and overuse spin doctors. Be aware of Peter's words that they are a public body.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
YOU keep saying about the majority of Dover people ,what you mean is the majority that post on this forum and that is about 15 members of the public you or I do not know what the majority of the Dover public are thinking.as for rust once the sea water gets into in after some years there is nothing that can stop it and repairs etc can cost more then a new build in the long run.When they have done the work and the pier reopens the public will see more of the port then now ,where the public walk way will be, is turning off to the left and you will be walking along a new pier over looking more of the new mariner on one side and on the other side you will see the ships coming in and out with much better views and closer up.IT IS ONLY CLOSED NOW TO DO THE WORK NEEDED.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Peter views are of a very few that use his bar ,post on the forum and who are still members of the PP port plan which is again is just a small number getting less by the day ,and that is just because they did not get their own way which was a good thing ,if it had gone that way nothing would get done because of paying back that very big loan.
A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.