Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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From that above list then it looks like the Conservatives had 16 elected and Labour 13, the rest (11) were Indys.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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so if the worse comes to the worse and a coalition turned up and the indys sided with labour the torys would be out voted.
but still lets wait and see if it works out over the next 2/3 years.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Almost right there Roger..as I remember it the result was..
16...13..and 12 Independents.
Was surprised to see the Independents do so well and to be honest it's the only positive thing about it all. The dreaded party machinery swung into action on this election as per usual... in very typical mode, which put me off for a start. David Cameron's original idea was to have leading local people who were close to their community running these PCC things, but the feeling was we had guys 'shipped in' as per usual. At least that was the feeling perceived. Hands up anyone who had heard of Craig MacKinlay previously?
Craig Mackinlay ( Conservative ) bombarded us with political literature like it was a general election.His final mailing dropped on my doormat harbouring an attempted smear of Ann Barnes. The sheer volume of mailshot convinced me he would win. I never heard from any other candidates. However despite all that he didnt win...Ann Barnes was outraged by MacKinlays final mailing and refuted it angrily, and in the end despite all won through. She has some experience in these matters as I believe she was a member of the Police Authority or something previously...so she is probably the best man for the job.
As we know Labour are pushing all women short lists. We have had our local candidate for the general election for Labour selected from an all woman shortlist...to the ire of some. So, how many women featured in this current PCC election..well here we are..
A total of 35 women stood as candidates. Six were elected making 14.6% of the 41 new police and crime commissioners. This compares to the 22% of women MPs in the House of Commons.
The turnout as we know was abysmal..only 1 in 7 voted according to the talking head on Sky News.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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paulb,you where lucky,i didnt get any bumff from any body.still it cut my recycling down a bit.
Jan Higgins
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Thanks Keith, I am not surprised the Independents did well but am that there were not more Labour, I am thinking of anti-government backlash. I wonder if the majority of those that did vote voted the way it should have been for the person and not the party.
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Keith Sansum1
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Jan
to answer your question and maybe help with why these things happen.
Heres my view;
1; In all elections we find die hard and luke warm tories will turn out no matter the candidate
2; labour doesn't have this comfort, and die hard labour voters who become disgruntled rather than vote for another
party they just dont vote(of course at times like these results, it just lets in other parties)
3;We now have the added problem that the general public is disgruntled with ALL politicians, the most
distrusted set of people(taking over from journalists)
4; of course in these elections labour wasnt totaly supporting the introduction of these new positions so this
has an effect
5; As paulb stated labour has its own problems women only shortlists etc, and not always connecting with its
membership or the wider country
6; Ann Barnes was chair of the police authority so has some experience(i did serve for a year with her on the
police authority, at that time she was a member but very much a quiet rebel
not sure with her closeness with the police if she make the changes required.
7; to even up the debate the tories didnt make the promised breakthrough the mouse keeps talking about in the North
seats still held by labour and the tory lost the corby bye election to labour which wasnt expected
Realy from what i saw of these elections, I had one leaflet from the tory candidate which was the usual party machine
leaflet, so clearly run by the tories.
the rest didnt bother not even ann barnes.
most people were not interested and upset at the cost of the elections
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Interesting comment about leaflets, the only one I had was from Ann Barnes nothing from the others.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Hurrah for the common sense of the electorate, which having never been asked if it saw the least need for this change nor consulted about the nature of the change, nevertheless pronounced it's verdict: Yuck!!
Yet two things were accomplished, if the results stand. This election...
-Removed the involvement and influence of a diverse group of elected people.
-Put the firing of a Chief Constable into one pair of 'isolated' hands.
Any avowed wish for local worthy folk to take over was quickly shown-up to be the bluff it was when the Party-Political Machinery was put into overdrive.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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tom
i dont think the party political stuff ever got off the ground
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Guest 739- Registered: 16 Jan 2012
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The only thing we had was from Ann Barnes. Spoke to my colleagues at work who said the same and they live in Ashford, Canterbury, Deal and Hythe. The whole thing seemed a bit half arsed. How can I make an informed decision when I haven't seen all the facts? Oh well, time will tell!
I think we are all guinea pigs in the middle of an experiment for which they have forgotten to set up a control group!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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you lot are lucky i didnt get any leaflets.
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brian
thought you told me you were important and the aycliffe bus should run just for you
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Ross Miller
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The whole thing was a joke
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 193 .....so,so true....a costly one ....£ 100 million .........
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,they do.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i wonder how many police officers could have been trained up for that kind of money?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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you missed my point brian
i said i dont think the party machinery got its act together
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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nor did the population kieth,apathy won again,on both sides.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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apathy won brian, but because the mouse didnt sell the idea
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Hip, hip, hip hooray. Oh Frabjous Day, Calloo, Callay. Three PCCs have come out to play...
"We are writing to express our grave concern having read recent media reports (14 March) suggesting the government is on the verge of dropping its commitment to a minimum unit price for alcohol. We believe this would be a major backwards step in our collective attempts to reduce crime in our communities.
While crime rates are falling in the three force areas in the north-east, the link between cheap alcohol and crime is undeniable. The freedom sections of the alcohol industry are is being given to sell certain products at pocket money prices is at the expense of vulnerable communities and our frontline public services. In the north-east, more than £316m was spent in 2010-11 handling an estimated 213,800 alcohol-related crimes - and this is being repeated across the country.
While sections of the global alcohol industry have been trying to undermine confidence in minimum unit price, the independent evidence supporting its introduction gets stronger by the day. It has the support of the majority of people in the north-east. It is supported by our GPs and our police officers. It is even supported by those people who run our pubs. We urge the government to follow the independent evidence base - for the sake of the people of the north-east and the frontline services that support them.
Barry Coppinger Police and crime commissioner for Cleveland, Ron Hogg PCC Durham, Vera Bair PCC Northumbria "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/21/support-minimum-alcohol-pricingIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.