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  Jan
  to answer your question and maybe help with why these things happen.
  
  
  Heres my view;
  
  1; In all elections we find die hard and luke warm tories will turn out no matter the candidate
  2; labour doesn't have this comfort, and die hard labour voters who become disgruntled rather than vote for another
  party they just dont vote(of course at times like these results, it just lets in other parties)
  
  3;We now have the added problem that the general public is disgruntled with ALL politicians, the most
  distrusted set of people(taking over from journalists)
  
  4; of course in these elections labour wasnt totaly supporting the introduction of these new positions so this
  has an effect
  
  5; As paulb stated labour has its own problems women only shortlists etc, and not always connecting with its
  membership or the wider country
  
  6; Ann Barnes was chair of the police authority so has some experience(i did serve for a year with her on the
  police authority, at that time she was a member but very much a quiet rebel
  not sure with her closeness with the police if she make the changes required.
  
  7; to even up the debate the tories didnt make the promised breakthrough the mouse keeps talking about in the North
  seats still held by labour and the tory lost the corby bye election to labour which wasnt expected
  
  
  Realy from what i saw of these elections, I had one leaflet from the tory candidate which was the usual party machine
  leaflet, so clearly run by the tories.
  the rest didnt bother not even ann barnes.
  most people were not interested and upset at the cost of the elections

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