Andy B
- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,818
Hoops will be great fun when piling out of the boozers with a skinfull to see who can shin up them.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Looking on the positives
Dover has so much more to offer
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
The hoops could look quite nice with a few large tubs at the base filled with different climbing plants and would not spoil the children's fun in fact the mist might even keep them watered.
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 346
Ross Miller wrote:Seriously when will you ever be satisfied?
That's an easy one.
When DDC actually start listening to the residents of Dover and stop wasting money on these pointless vanity projects that nobody wants. There are real world problems facing Dovorians which could greatly be improved with these huge amounts of money that are currently being spent on white elephants and consultants.
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
This cost c£500,000 of ratepayers money. Without this scheme we would not have received the other £2.39m.
The market square was a drab, dreary, difficult to use space and, something needed doing to it to make it a more sociable community space. The choice of solution may not be what some/many? wanted, but it needed doing. (I don't get the arches at all but I have found that the rest of it has grown on me over the time I have seen it develop).
Similarly the street lighting was close to the end of its design life and needed replacing at some point in the near future.
What could DDC legally deliver for a one off payment of £500,000 that would materially improve the lot of Dovorians? I ask as I am struggling to think of anything that does not involve future year costs or essentially leave people no better off once the money is spent/project completed.
From my perspective their is much more mileage in a campaign to get DTC to freeze their precept for 2023/4 coupled with a proper consultation on what their role is/should be and a full spending review.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Ross Miller wrote:
What could DDC legally deliver for a one off payment of £500,000 that would materially improve the lot of Dovorians?
20 mph limits to replace 30 mph limits throughout the district?
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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If people don’t observe 30mph then lowering the limit to 20mph (with all the additional costs ) won’t make any difference. In any event I think you’ll find that the police will not prosecute at 20mph so it’s basically unenforceable and a waste of money. The only practical solution is “build outs” or allowing parking- parked cars slow down traffic.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Odd that it's being introduced for the whole of Wales Arthur?
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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Will be interesting to see how successful it proves to be.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Arthur wrote:Will be interesting to see how successful it proves to be.
Seems to work everywhere else?
See:- The state of the evidence on 20mph speed limits with regards to road safety, active travel and air pollution impacts 2018
https://gov.wales/state-evidence-20mph-speed-limits-regards-road-safety-active-travel-and-air-pollution-impactsRoss Miller likes this
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
Right, yes, that's all very well-intentioned
but as Jacob Rees-Mogg informs us:
"20mph limits are ridiculous. They simply obstruct the flow of traffic. People are in favour of them when they are proposed, and later realise how annoying they are. It's a microcosm of politics generally: opinion polls suggest something would be popular and once you put it into practice it isn't. People should be free to lead their own lives as far as possible without Government interference.”
So there! [Source
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/18500395/20mph-speed-limit-drivers-ridiculous-jacob-rees-mogg/. PS: I take no responsibility for the Sun's spelling or use of paragraphs.]
(Not my real name.)
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
I think it all depends exactly where the 20mph is imposed, the limit will suit some roads more than others. Most built up town areas are unfortunately now designed to speed up traffic rather than for the safety of pedestrians and especially children.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Wow this discussion has flowed into traffic management lol
It was predicted areas would at times become gridlocked with the amount of cars coming onto the roads increasing
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:
It was predicted areas would at times become gridlocked with the amount of cars coming onto the roads increasing
BUT modelling traffic flow mathematically you will discover that roughly 20 mph (or 30 kph - it's helpful to keep to round figures on traffic signs) ) traffic speed will allow the maximum flow of vehicles down a road. (Depending on length of vehicle this maxes out at roughly 1800 cars per hour).
Counterintuitively a 20 mph limit on busy roads will mean more traffic will get to a destination quicker - as well as having fewer collisions and injuries/deaths.
What's not to like?
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TheThinWhiteDuke- Registered: 7 Jul 2016
- Posts: 357
I still think they should have left the TV. More people are fans of TV than arches I reckon.
No worse than the horribly bright video advertising hoardings (near Tower Hamlets and Cherry Tree for example). Sod living near one of those. I'd be considering sabotage. I'd want compensation for blackout curtains at least.
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 346
Thank you Neil Wiggins, what a great day for Dover. We are so lucky to have these visionaries who live afar.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
That photo shoot would have been the ideal time to test the water power, at least we could all have had a good laugh.
By the way was our photo genic MP not asked or is she on her hols, she usually only appears in Dover for her picture to be taken..
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Should have turned it on
They could have tested it
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Andy B- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,818
I saw the rings working today,must say they look quite impressive.
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