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Chris
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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Buddhism is technically an atheistic religion as Buddha is not a god but a role model.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Chris, Britain is a Christian Country with a Christian Constitution, may-be you should read the oath of coronation, of which the following is an extract:
Archbishop to heir of the throne:
Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges, as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?
It is doubtful that this oath has been upheld, as the Constitution is being gradually dismantled by atheism laws.
However, your views on banning the Christian Faith from schools, and your idea of dispelling God, and placing all religions and most of all atheism at a par with the Christian Faith, Chris, as far as the official Constitution is concerned, are wrong!
It is a fundamental prerogative of the British Constitution, at least as far as England is concerned, that our Faith is upheld and is not dismantled, OR made equal to other religions or to atheism.
No doubt Scotland has specific laws that concern the Scottish Church, considering that the United Kingdom is a Union of three Kingdoms. Northern Ireland is part of the original Irish Kingdom.
I hope this clarifies the matter to all who try to downgrade the Christian Faith and sod it off as being equal to other religions in Britain and lesser to atheism.
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I'm staying out of this one.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i must admit i am totally lost, being a simple type i rather like the idea of everyone choosing their own beliefs irrespective of what country they live in.
never seen us as purely a christian country, our ancestors were pagans, we had jews persecuted in the 9th century and today we have muslims, hindus and sikhs practicing their respective faiths side by side.
there are always a few nutters in all religions and beliefs that spoil it for the rest.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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What I expect will be my last comment on this thread.
There is nothing worse than the religious zealot regardless of the religion they follow.
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Only a minor point Alexander and then I will stop pandering to your obsession. Britain does not have a Constitution and the passage you quote is relevant to the monarch not the government. What we do have is a series of precedents set by judges and government, most of which can (and do) change when contested in courts of law.
As to the rest of your post, please do not put words into my postings that are not there as you are obviously only reading from a preconceived and immovable position. I do however remain a devout and faithful Atheist as firm in my beliefs as you are attempting to convince us you are in yours.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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Why can people not keep their religious beliefs in their own hearts and share them only with like-minded people in the appropriate place? Why do some people wear their religion (or lack of it) on their sleeve? Why try to change another's beliefs? Such beliefs are not rational or scientific so are not open to logical argument- it's a matter of faith. Atheism is as much a faith (qua belief system) as any organised religion. Please just let's get on with our lives and be tolerant of others.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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When there is talk of banning the Christian Faith from schools, from the lives of infants, in Britain, and comparing the Christian Faith to atheism, I have all the right to answer to such insult and intollerance!
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I've just made a research, and found that the Human Rights Act 1998, which is now part of British law, upholds the idea that atheism is a belief, but does not call it a faith.
I also found that in 2008, two High Court judges in Britain declared that Christian Faith has no place in British Law, the case referring to a husband and wife who were denied the right to adopt a child because they did not agree to teach the child homosexuality.
I believe that the recent fall in adoptions in Britain is because people who do not openly profess homosexuality and promise to teach it to the child they intend to adopt, are denied the possibility to adopt a child. It was in this context that I came across Human Rights Act 1998.
Whether it is right or wrong has probably never been made object of public consultation, hence tyranny prevails, as so often!
But so what, let's just call everyone else a nutter!
We're wrong, we're all nutters! So what!
Won't change my lifestyle by a single iota.
In fact, I don't care!
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I don't think we need faith in schools
Just creates more division
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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must admit i don't like the idea of faith schools but the exam results are usually superior to other schools.
most church of england schools don't ram religion down children's throats.
Bob Whysman
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Keith Bibby wrote:I don't think we need faith in schools
Just creates more division
I tend not to disagree with you on this one KB, they should be places of academic excellence and concentrate on teaching them the skills needed to progress through life and be part of the eclectic life mix.
If you must teach a particular Faith at any seat of learning, it should be mandatory to teach tolerance of other Faith's too.
Reading, writing and numeracy skills should be a priority whatever your religious leanings.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
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You're a Scholl teacher you would say that wouldn't you
Keith Sansum1
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ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
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The only throat-ramming I've ever come across, Howard, is that of Keith S, who was trying to ram the queen-cult down my throat as god-almighty.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Keith Bibby wrote:You're a Scholl teacher you would say that wouldn't you
For pity's sake KB, I was agreeing with you!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I was basking in the warmth of the compliment of being erudite and you have to go and spoil it by suggesting KB meant Scholl not School teacher.
Scholl make insoles and Faith's look after souls so all in all a very worthy connection Keith, although I'm sure he was trying to be complimentary on this occasion!
I'll settle for the latter.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
