Guest 1896- Registered: 29 Oct 2016
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They used it for the Eastern Docks Hoverport, they used it to fill in the camber, they used it for the Western Docks Goverport
The Channel Tunnel terminal had three times the amount they want now pumped from the Goodwin Sands to Folkestone, but people just moan about DHB !!
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Was the Eastern Docks hoverport not chalk infill? What are now the ED7, ED8 and ED9 assembly areas were, I think, aggregate infill.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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What is said about taking of the sand before now and why did the public not say anything then ,I can only talk about myself,I do not know about what others done,and about myself all I can say I was working my self then and most of that time I was working and living away,but on saying that I did not even think about the sand, And being a cllr I should have done, nothing more I can say about that,But I have more time now that I am not working to think and follow this up.But that does not put what they taking now right it was wrong to take it then, and it is wrong that they can take it now.But it also shows up that millions of tons of sand has been taken from the bank over many years,by companys not only the D,H,B, it is to late to talk about that now ,but what we can do is try to see it does not happen any more. Some very good points have come to light in the last few post,s so thank you for telling us all about them.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I suspect that the lack of outcry in the past is due to the sand being taken before the advent of the Internet and resultant social media. Nowadays we can watch governments being overthrown on smartphone videos at the scene.
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Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Why not take sand from the ships graveyard, for hundreds of years this area has been a no go zone, it has to be guarded 24/7, let it do some good for a change, whatever is taken from it, it will get back over the next hundred years, in the meantime it can help change the face of Dover, keep us on the map and keep a lot of locals in work
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Well said Sheila .Dover is crying out for jobs .Either its protect the Banksy picture etc always something.,to stop progress.Last year DHB turned the old Marine Station into a a Winter wonderland. Gave a lot of pleasure to many.I remember the sleeper trains that went from the station.The Hoverport went from Eastern Docks now it's gone for ever from Western Docks .The Hovercraft the reason my husband brought us to Dover.Jobs.No more Hovercraft and sadly no more husband .Time to move on folks .
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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ITis a war grave of our dead not just ships ,it does good as it is also a home for wildlife and fish but mainly a war grave ,how would you feel if it was the last resting place of a member of your family that died in the war, and their remains ended up as infill for a port.
Chris- Forum Admin
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Maybe my maths is wrong, but it seems they'll be taking (on average) less than 70cm from across the proposed dredging site - wouldn't any human remains have either been buried deeper or washed elsewhere over the past 70 years?
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I do not know anything about what you are asking sir, but they have been taking millions of tons of sand from this war grave for many years time it was stopped.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Some people throw the ashes of their beloved ones in the sea .Maybe I should get my husbands ashes dug up and scattered where the old Hoveport has been filled in.A place he loved and was very sad when he had to move up country for work when the two Hovercraft Companies merged.We all have memories but for the sake of our children and grandchildren you have to move on .
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Personally editor this subject has had a good airing.Time to move on .
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The next consultation phase starts soon and I suspect that the MMO will try to delay making a decision due to the flak they will inevitably take from the losing side. They will be aware also that if they refuse permission to dredge then DHB will employ a top legal team to overturn the decision.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I have like most of you just got in my post box the letter being send out by the D.H.B.
It is first saying it is a Deal -Based protest ,that is very untrue many like my self live in Dover and born in Dover ,say go on to say it will cost Dover 100s of jobs, again I do not think they are right .And Dover will get its new marina They are trying to put the frighten on the public of Dover I hope that does not work.
Lets look at the record of jobs in the pass of the D.H.B. it has taken away 100s if not more jobs of our local workforce and alot of them were very skilled men and they did not think of Dover then.Do not take any notice of what they are putting out,if the project does not get done,it was because the D,H,B, got their costing wrong in the first place and because of that they are trying to put the blame on to the public that like myself do not want anymore sand taken from the Good win. There are many other ways of getting the sand ,but sand need not be used anyway.
They did not think that the public would protest in the way they have because in the pass they and other companys have taken millions of tons of sand away without any protest or very little of it ,but does that make alright now then to take even more of it? well it is a very BIG NO TO THAT . There are 100,s if not more of the public of Dover that did not want to see the work done anyway and wanted it to stay as it was,I must say I was not one of them I supported the regeneration of the port and still do ,and I am a very old Dovorian but I coud see that the port has to move with the times ,but it can be done without taking away a war grave and home to alot of fish and other wildlife that live and need the sand bank .and I can see why the public of Deal are up in arms about it ,just aske the fishing boat owners what it will do to the fishing stock. And it is not a tiny amount of sand as their is saying it is over 2million tons add that to what they have already taken it is a lot.So please support the Protest in any way you can.And have yet to tell us where all the new jobs are coming from.When all the work is done where will there be a need for the 100,s of new jobs they are forcasting about now.And if some do come will they be part-time ? how many will be full-time? will any of them need skills etc ? they can not tell us that because they do not know themself ,s .And lets face it they are taking away some very nice land marks in the name of regeneration .
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From the outset DHB have been quoting the 600 job figure as yet I have seen nothing from them to indicate where these jobs will come from, they certainly won't be able to tell us where the hundreds will be lost if they don't complete the leisure side of the project.
Just for once it would be nice if they told us the truth instead of the constant lies manipulation and outright ignoring of the facts.
They are very skilled at getting the backs up of us Dovorians whilst pretending to actually care.
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And the Goodwin does not belong to Dover but all of the public in the UK so why point out Deal as the ones doing the protest we all are .Good post there sir no 397 The D,H.B do not own the Goodwins,sand nor does it own the Royal Port Of Dover it runs the Port and for doing that they get a very high wage.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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So far DHB have commissioned a lengthy report from a top consultancy, waged a propaganda campaign and very likely will bring in some expensive lawyers at some stage. It might have been cheaper just to buy the aggregate through the normal channels(no pun intended).
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I would also like to point out that in their letter they keep on about Deal being out siders and yet ,The D,H,B,say we love Dover, is that why most of their big wigs also do not live in Dover ?
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Gymn equipment has now been installed in River Rec .One way of letting off steam.
Brian Dixon
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yes I notised lunch time today.
Guest 2209- Registered: 16 Aug 2017
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I am incredibly confused with what is happening in Dover. The support to preserve the Goodwin Sands is certainly not confined to Deal as I know of several political and non political organistations in Thanet and I personally belong to one in Canterbury which are very concerned about the idea of dredging.
But my confusion stems from these claims of job loses etc? The cargo docks are still going to be built but the shops and cafes will not unless the Port of Dover can do it on the cheap (ie not actually buy the sand but take it from a war grave/pending Marine Conservation Zone).
Dover struggles to support a high street and soon will have a new shopping complex, so where are all these people going to come from to use all these new shops/cafes at the cargo port? It certainly won't be people from Deal who are being alienated and I think many others in Kent would follow their example.
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