Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Mr Vic, the DHB wanted to privatise the port back then. I was against that. However, I also wanted to make sure that if they were successful, the only people that the port could be sold to would be the people of Dover. I NEVER said that the DHB should go. It is all on record, so it should be easy enough for you to check it up before you apologise.
Before I joined the DHB, i was a freeish agent and could write whatever I wanted about the DHB, so long as i believed it and had evidence that what I wrote was true. It didn't matter whether it was in favourable or unfavourable (I wrote both), whether I agreed or disagreed (I did both). Now I am a member of the Board, I have a duty to uphold and promote the organisation of which I am part. Now, when I think something could be done better, or I disagree with something, or when members of the community approach me with something that needs action, the discussion happens in the boardroom and the outcome is a collective responsibility.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Howard, I can still post in a personal capacity, and do, the DHB are not the control freaks you imagine.
I'm afraid that you are wrong about 'not getting something we were never going to get anyway'. I could have kept my comments and support for the license to the boardroom, as do nearly all non-execs in nearly all organisations, and left it to sort itself out, but I also believe in fighting every step of the way to get as much positive delivered for Dover as possible, so I volunteered to speak once I was personally certain of the arguments in favour of the license and that this would enable the port to deliver the maximum possible benefit to the town from this project that I joined partway through.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I will not apologise sir I say what I know is right as I said before you are good at playing with words and turning them so it looks good for your self but that does not work with me.I have support and seen with my own eyes what good the D,H,B, has done from 1942when cars were put on the one ferry we had by a net,so over many years I seen the port grow to one of the biggist in the world and have worked on many of the big jobs that have been done to the port and ships,my support for the D,H,B, is the same today has it always has been, but they are wrong in taking sand away from a war grave ,they do not have to use sand anyway, Glass mashed up does the same job.
Guest 1792- Registered: 2 Jul 2016
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DHB will arrogantly ignore the ppl of Dover whatever we say ,The ppl of Deal & Dover are against the sands being dredged but will DHB listen will they fairycakes ,theynjust go their own merry way & to hell with the rest of us
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I hope for once that the public in this case will win if it does not only will be a win for the public but a big win for all the dead and the wildlife now resting on the sands + it might stop any more plans to take even more of the bank.
Button- Location: Dover
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I hope we can all get on with things once the MMO has considered the evidence and ruled on the application.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Please do not presume that all the people of Dover & Deal are against the dredging.
There are many who are happy for it to happen as it gives them the prospect of work in the future or they want the promised quay side development and all that that could bring to the town.
I am neither for nor against it and will base my view on the evidence presented by the various surveys that have been carried out as will the MMO when deciding to grant a licence or not.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Jobs will still come if there is a need for them but at this very time we do not know for sure how it is going to end up,Hammonds might need more staff .If all this had come about years ago when Mr Wiggins and his merry follows were trying to take over the port of Dover where do you think he would be standing and shouting out,?well he would be shouting out save the sands do not go along with the plans of the D.H.B.And most of us know that and will not be taken in by what he is saying now.All this about it will cost Dover Jobs is in my way of thinking is rubbish .Yes there will be some members of the public for the plans ,but the against for it to go ahead out number them by about 50 to one might even be more.And some that think it will bring jobs yes that might be true but the jobs will still come if any, if the plans to take sand is stopped.There are lots of jobs going now in both Deal, Dover,Folkstone .So why are the public not taken them up.?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Vic Matcham wrote:Jobs will still come if there is a need for them but at this very time we do not know for sure how it is going to end up,Hammonds might need more staff .If all this had come about years ago when Mr Wiggins and his merry follows were trying to take over the port of Dover where do you think he would be standing and shouting out,?well he would be shouting out save the sands do not go along with the plans of the D.H.B.And most of us know that and will not be taken in by what he is saying now.All this about it will cost Dover Jobs is in my way of thinking is rubbish .Yes there will be some members of the public for the plans ,but the against for it to go ahead out number them by about 50 to one might even be more.And some that think it will bring jobs yes that might be true but the jobs will still come if any, if the plans to take sand is stopped.
I was told recently that DHB had taken over Hammond's and were in the process of cutting staff numbers.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Mr Vic. The Cargo Operation is now owned by the DHB. You are totally incorrect about what my position on the sands would have been if I was not in the DHB. I may have had a different vision for the area as an outsider, but it would still require aggregate. You appear to delight in misrepresenting me Mr Vic.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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First lets look at new jobs, before the DHB take on new staff if any, what about all the new jobs that the new builds of out lets at both Whitfield and Town wall Street there will be over 200 needed for them so there is lots of work about or will be over the next year or two .Mr Wiggins talking about the aggregate needed any new build like the one in Dover would need aggregate and they do not take it from the Goodwin sand there are many ways and places to get that and as I said even glass is used now,all this is about the cost of getting it ,and taking from the Good win sand is the easy way and might cost less then any other way.If they were not there the D,H,B, would get it from one of the many ways of buying it..
You are saying now sir ,you would have had a different vision if you did not work for the D.H.B. I put it to you that vision would not be the use of the Sand Bank .And if I am wrong about the cargo OK so I am wrong,what has that to do with the taking of sand from a war grave sir?You have taken on a paid job and put yourself in the firing range and you will be shot at.If you do not like that or cannot take it do the right thing and pack the job in.In one of the posts above it talks about the take over of Hammonds BY THE D,H,B, I did not know that and if true what is the D,H,B, doing ,cutting the work force down ,same as they have done over many years, so nothing new there.So you must a supporter of doing that if it happens,must say I know nothing about that happing so we wait and see.I get no joy in misresenting you ,if it had not been you in that job , but a person from the DHB I did not know I would be saying the same. All I am trying to do like many others is saving the sands and the wildlife and war graves on it, It is not about you or me as you well know I have nothing against you as a person never have had or never will have.At my age of 75 I have been trying to keep out of what happens in Dover but I have very strong feelings about saving the Sands and that is all.
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OPEN LETTER[U][/U]
Dear DHB,
I just wanted to drop you a little note, I was out walking today and came across a billboard on Snargate st which I assume was posted by your good selves, as it is on your land and references the supposed possible loss of half a billion pounds in revenue to yourselves and the town of Dover unless you are allowed to dredge the Goodwin Sands.
Could I please ask you formally here within for the purposes of public clarity to give the residents of Dover an audited breakdown on how these figures were arrived at?
I also noticed that you blame the discord over this matter on a small number of residents in Deal, as you know over 13,000 people have signed their objections to your dredging the Goodwin Sands, could you please produce a record of all signatories from Deal and what their percentage is of the
13,000 people that have signed objections to the DHB dredging the Goodwin Sands.
If you cannot provide the requested data to substantiate your claims forthwith I would suggest you cease-and-desist from making unsubstantiated claims.
The airmen and seamen that lie on the Goodwin Sands gave their lives for a better world than one of malicious character attacks on the population of a small seaside town and the wider concerned world who sees through your falsehoods and your Trump’ian style of shameless spin, you are once again acting like the playground bully boy that over and over you have shown yourselves to be.
Your style of going about business and your confrontational manner when you are met with objections, does not mirror the England and the standards our forefathers fought for, it mirrors all that they were fighting against .
SHAME ON YOU.
Sincerely,
N.J. Barley
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Setting one town against another is distasteful and fooled nobody, I don't remember anyone from Deal demanding that our pier had to be demolished.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Good letter I must go down and see the bill board myself.And Deal as the right to be worry about the sands as we in Dover are,But it is the public from round the world also saying that the war graves should be left as they are.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Nicola Barley wrote:OPEN LETTER[U][/U]
13,000 people that have signed objections to the DHB dredging the Goodwin Sands.
Which is still just a few short of the 204,790 signatures for 'No more school penalty fines and bring back the 10 day authorised absence' and 258700 signatures agreeing with mad Brian May to 'End the badger cull instead of expanding to new areas ' to name but two popular but totally unsuccessful petitions.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Sounds like there is a need for a Referendum, I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
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Personally I think it should be left to a show of hands by Equity members.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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DHB have missed a trick in not getting any celebrity endorsements, they tried to enlist Rolf Harris but he is otherwise engaged.
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DHB mre Wiggins havn't come out of all this well
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:DHB have missed a trick in not getting any celebrity endorsements, they tried to enlist Rolf Harris but he is otherwise engaged.
Surely WILSON, KEPPEL & BETTY would have been best?
And there's even more here. Enjoy!
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