Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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Preparing the excuses for why they aren't going to build the new Marina, something that many have said they never intended to do.
Smacks of desperation when they have to wheel out Mr Wiggins to threaten the people of Dover.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The jobs scare is routinely trotted out when something is not popular with the general public.
SWWood- Location: Dover
- Registered: 30 May 2012
- Posts: 256
You do realise that article is 3 months old! If you're going to take every opportunity to snipe at DHB, you might want to think about getting some new material.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Discussion on the issue BBC Radio Kent on Monday the 7th breakfast show at 7. 30 am.
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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A spokesman from the DHB, said the ‘sad truth’ was that ‘Dover families, who survived Hellfire Corner [the heavy German shelling and bombing of Dover during the war], could be deprived of the regeneration they’ve wanted for more than 70 years’.
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They, Dover Harbour Board, come out with some ill-informed corkers. The above, mentioned, will be more or less dead by now. DHB has never contributed to any regeneration. The Pier District has been completely flattened by them for the huge lorry park, situated there. All revenue more or less goes to the DHB through Motis. Which was a sneaky sell-off by Bob Goldfield, DHB, to his cronies in Ireland. All this revenue, stays within the DHB and Motis. All catering and other facilities stay within the Lorry Park around Lord Warden House. Nothing filters into the Town's economy at all.
The DHB were supposed to have everything in place, including dredging agreements before they even started this ill-conceived destruction of the Western Docks. Their arrogance in thinking the Goodwin Sands was theirs to take at will, shows how they treat everything. Including the people of this area, as to what they should and should not have.
When they changed the Wellington and Granville Docks into the Marina's they are now. We were told this would save Dover's economy. The promised Ocean Village similar to Southampton's never did materialise. I wonder what the naughty Dover residents did, to deserve this promise to be taken away.
The latest threat of all niceties being withdrawn, because of funds, is really no threat at all.
We are in line for a huge lorry park, right across the Granville Docks. It will progress from the back of Shakespeare Beach, and continue right across, the filled in Granville Docks. All charm and character removed, as usual. The £35.00 a night for each lorry, and the rest. Is income the DHB cannot resist, very little of this will go into Dovers' economy.
I am noticing that the pretty computerised pictures along the sea-front and hoardings, are beginning to have little resemblance to what is actually taking place. The coffee shops, food shops etc, will probably go the same way as the Rowing Clubs factilities, which are disappearing. Really, you do not miss what you have never had.
It can be a game to think out what the Dover Harbour Board will destroy next in Dover. Cambridge Terrace could be in line. It is doing the usual, let it rot and then remove it pattern.
Basically, there is very little the residents of Dover have to thank the Dover Harbour Board for.
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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John and Anna will be talking to Joanna Thomson and Neil Ivor Wiggins about the controversial application to dredge the Goodwin Sands. It promises to be a lively exchange!
Radio Kent. 7.30 am tomorrow. Monday. 7th August.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Not really Jan, but on this subject, once I had studied all the documentation, been out to the proposed dredge site, studied the dredge history of the proposed dredge site and done some significant personal study of the subject and become convinced of the case by the evidence and by approaches from many individuals who were unhappy with the content, tone and apparent lack of evidence in the GSSOS campaign, I did step forward and say that I was prepared to speak out on this subject publicly, especially as delivering the maximum benefit for the communities of Dover and the wider area is what I always argue for.
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Christine A. What is actually happening with the construction so far shows exactly the outline in the computerised drawings. Decisions made in and 2014 and 2015 are being realised as construction proceeds. Phases 1 and 2 of the DWDR are being delivered together and will largely complete by the 3rd quarter of next year.
There are no plans that I am aware of for the huge lorry park that you describe.
Cambridge Terrace will be standing and in use long after my grandchildren are drawing their pensions.
I remember when Granville, the Tidal Basin and The Wellington were made into marina space; yes, I recall that there were plans to deliver more from that space, why they weren't delivered I do not know for sure, but suspect that constitutional restrictions on the port's powers to enter into joint ventures and raise money via loans which bound the port at that time may be the main reasons. Those sort of restrictions were removed as part of the major port reforms which have taken place since 2012.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Sorry Neil but my view on your statement, is that as a directer you were representing DHB and as such you support the use of the Goodwins or you would have kept quiet on the subject.
My concern is sand taken must surely affect the sea currents, so either smaller Goodwins or sand gradually building up again which will cause erosion somewhere else. The war graves argument is of lesser importance to me although I fully understand why so many are upset at the possible desecration.
The continued statements about the new area and its benefits to Dover come across as nothing more than corporate speak and propaganda. Yes there might be new jobs but how many I wonder will be well paid long term ones for locals. As an example the cruise ships have not exactly been of much benefit to the town.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Please do not trust anything what the D.H.B. say about the Goodwin sand, it is a war grave from both world wars and also a grave for many a ship and their crews and planes.The D.H.B. are saying if they do not take it, it will cost 100s of jobs,that is rubbish talk they can get sand from anywhere just might cost more ,I say might not that it will.If they do not deliver what they say they would then it is because they got their costing wrong in the first place,but they are looking to blame the Goodwin group for not doing all what they said they would do.And there are lots of the public from Dover in that group with me being just one of them.The wild life and the war graves must stay.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Pleased to see Cambridge terrace get a mention I thought it had been forgotten. Beautiful buildings left to rot and become home to wildlife with cruise passengers walking past wondering why. DHB must have a plan for them but none of us know what.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Spot the mistake in this latest Kent Online article.
Deliver for Dover is a campaign involving radio, press, TV and advertising and rallying the support of groups such as the Environment Agency, Kent County Council, Dover District Council and the districts’ town and parish authorities.
The Port of Dover has long argued that only 99.7% of the Goodwin Sands would be dredged for this project.
It argues that the area has been dug for material for the building of the Channel Tunnel and the creation of the HS1 fast train service between London and Kent.
Joanna Thompson, spokesman of the Save Our Sands group, said: “The development is not reliant on dredging specifically from the Goodwin Sands. There are easily accessible, already licensed dredging areas in the East English Channel and Thames Estuary."
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Chris- Forum Admin
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Jan Higgins wrote:My concern is sand taken must surely affect the sea currents, so either smaller Goodwins or sand gradually building up again which will cause erosion somewhere else.
Doesn't this happen naturally anyway?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I am and never been happy with the apointment of Mr Wiggins.He was the man years go saying the port of Dover should be taken away from the safe hands of the D.H.B.and sold off to a group he was the chairman of. Now because that did not happen he joined up with the D,H,B, in a paid job and now backs the D,H,B. IN ANYTHING THEY SAY OR DO,talk about a turn coat.
And he only got that paid job to stop him talking against the D,H,B.Thats the way I see from the way I think.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Chris wrote:Doesn't this happen naturally anyway?
Yes but not a vast amount at one go.
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Chris- Forum Admin
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Oct 2009
- Posts: 357
Jan Higgins wrote:Yes but not a vast amount at one go.
Are you able to point me in the right direction for information about the amount/effect of natural drift of the sands? I've been unable to find any this morning - most search results now come up with news articles about the campaign against it!
I don't currently have an opinion either way, just trying to learn a bit more.