Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Now Vic, I would expect any remains that were found, now or whenever in the future would be treated with respect, DNA analysed , researched , family informed & given the military burial they so richly deserved.
I would sooner know the fate of a family member no matter how many generations apart we were.
As Bob points out Northern France is the land of continuing discovery of our military victims.
No one seemed to worry about sands being disturbed for the removal of a Dornier or eccentrics playing cricket there annually.
War grave it is not.
Maritime hazard it certainly is & according to Deal boatmen it is getting bigger.
A personal view.
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Good post Paul
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and not forgetting flanders [ belguim.] can and is a war grave as such.dosent them building though.if any remains or artifacts found building work stops and the arceoligsts go in
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thank you for that Mr Watkins but as I do with Mr Wiggins I disagree with you.The sands are a war grave I have already said about the war grave in France.When they remove sand it is not done in the same way as it is done on the land so most of the remains of any one will not be found because it will get dredge up so in 99% of case,s they will not be spotted.I also think you are going over top when you talk about cricket a few times a year.And the Deal boat men know about the Goodwin sands and know when not to go over the top of them and stay away and lots of fish around the sands for them to fish for.Yes they are a hazard but with all the gear they use on ships today they should not end up on the sands.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Indeed Brian, Belgium was very much involved in Dunkirk evacuation. More on Belgium beaches i.e. De Panne [large memorials & many local cemeteries ] than on French territory.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Vic, no doubt the War Graves Commission will decide.
The Goodwin's has many wrecks spread across the centuries throughout its vast expanse.
As a child I used to visit the Sands via the local boat trips which were very much part of Deal's past.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:My view is if it's going to cost nearly £20M to get it elsewhere and put the project at risk, then just go ahead and do it.
Nobody can go ahead and do anything until the MMO say they can, the issue of coastal erosion has not been clarified yet.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention the pending Marine Conservation Zone status, MOD licence and potential legal action. Then you have all the unknown costs (un-exploded munitions, security against activists like Greenpeace and delays due to wreck and remain discoveries and extraction).
There are some shocking comments from councillors and DHB representatives on this forum but it highlights once again why DDC and DHB are held in such contempt by the community. Profit rules, but as I have stated before, I think the repercussions and damage to Dover if it goes ahead will offset any savings. Not the greatest source but the comments on this article give an indication of how the nation will react.
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Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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BTW wonder what happened to this Mr Watkins chap.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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So the coastal erosion issue is not a new one.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well Mr Watkins what do you have to say about that in post 189 the fisherman of Deal did not want any more sand taken away ,,good post above sir, And I feel they think the same today.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Read today's Deal boatmen, not saying the same & how the shape of Goodwin's is affecting their catch. Note Burnham family.
Also the decision was taken on scientific evidence then etc. as it should be today [my point].
Where's the inconsistency?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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A short interlude from the debate.
A global view.
There uses to be a joke doing the rounds which went 'What would happen if a socialist administration took over in Saudi Arabia?'
The answer being 'Bugger all for years, then they would run out of sand'.
Believe it or not we are actually getting short of the stuff!
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21719797-thanks-booming-construction-activity-asia-sand-high-demand'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Can't be the same Paul Watkins, he would have been about ten years old judging by the age he gives out now.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think it is the same one I went up against him two times for the job of MP if he would have gone just 1 more time he would have won giving us a better mp then the one we got and still there today.I am going over to Deal in the next few days if I see any local boatman I will aske them myself.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Yes it's the same one.We are getting older.I remember Paul when he was Chairman.During my first term on DDC
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Jack Heart wrote:BTW wonder what happened to this Mr Watkins chap.
1991?
Come on Paul the game's up mate, 26 years ago you were Chairman - how would you describe your legacy?
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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The one thing I recall was the moving of the Town Council into Maison Diue House and the Library. going into the Discovery Centre. The Children's Library.The work for Betteshanger and the Discovery Centre at Sandwich.Lots of work at Aylesham.Ensuring DDC did not financial go into the red.Tides at. Deal
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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This thread is about the important issue of The Goodwin Sands.
Maybe, two new threads should be started.
The legacy of PAUL WATKINS
TRIPS DOWN MEMORY LANE BLOGGING MY ACTIVITIES AS WONDER COUNCILLOR. ETC.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Yes agree Christine but someone decided to post a news paper clipping from 1991 And Mr Little in his usual manner wayed in with comments.I worked with Cllr Watkins for many years and he has achieved many things.He has been responsible for getting various pots of Money into the district The Big local .eg .He worked tirelessly for the High Speed link all though others took the glory.He tried very hard to get a proper hospital in Dover until someone put their nose in.Im not happy with how the health care is now provided but Cllr Watkins has secured what he can for us .Talked to numerous Housing Associations and many houses and flats have been provided.Mr Liitle make sure of your facts before you criticise .
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Yes agree Christine but someone decided to post a news paper clipping from 1991 And Mr Little in his usual manner wayed in with comments.I worked with Cllr Watkins for many years and he has achieved many things.He has been responsible for getting various pots of Money into the district The Big local .eg .He worked tirelessly for the High Speed link all though others took the glory.He tried very hard to get a proper hospital in Dover until someone put their nose in.Im not happy with how the health care is now provided but Cllr Watkins has secured what he can for us .Talked to numerous Housing Associations and many houses and flats have been provided.Mr Liitle make sure of your facts before you criticise .
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Your loyalty is touching if misplaced.
Dover, despite being the busiest passenger port in Europe is one of the most deprived places in the UK, the High Street is a disgrace and the DTIZ is a disaster.
Of course as Chairman you played your part in its demise.