Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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Paul Watkins wrote:You live in a pretty bigoted world Jack [ perhaps you should have cojones to not hide behind a pseud]. My post asks for decision whatever it is. I'll live with the scientific decision. Just deliver a decision. That's my personal view not a DDC view. That was delivered by an ALL party planning Committee .
Don't waste precious time bashing your keyboard for me Mr Watkins. Go talk to the thousands of people you supposedly represent and ask their democratic view rather than hide behind the decision of a few dubious planning comittee members. Go and sell it to the electorate that you want a quick scientific decision on wether DHB should desecrate the resting place of those who flew their spitfires to the tune of bluebirds.
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Post 140: do you think, then, that Mr Wiggins is no longer a person who has 'special knowledge or experience of the position of the harbour within the local community and local economy'?
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Come clean Jack , identify yourself & then you might be taken seriously but probably not. In the meantime I'll pressurise those responsible for the decision , the MMO, for sitting on the fence. Again, whatever the decision.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We are talking about the Goodwin sands ,But as you are asking it is a no .
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Paul Watkins wrote:Come clean Jack , identify yourself & then you might be taken seriously but probably not. In the meantime I'll pressurise those responsible for the decision , the MMO, for sitting on the fence. Again, whatever the decision.
Sorry to disappoint old boy, but Jack Heart is my real name. Perhaps I need a special handshake? Blaming the MMO after DDC put their name to a consultation which is factually incorrect seems a bit childish. If you feel this is the right course of direction then that is your prerogative. However based on your woeful track record of delivering anything for Dover I will await your imminent failure.
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Jack Heart wrote:Sorry to disappoint old boy, but Jack Heart is my real name. Perhaps I need a special handshake? Blaming the MMO after DDC put their name to a consultation which is factually incorrect seems a bit childish. If you feel this is the right course of direction then that is your prerogative. However based on your woeful track record of delivering anything for Dover I will await your imminent failure.
Whoever you are you certainly across as someone with a chip on both shoulders about anything to do with Dover.
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So much of a chip Howard that I usually ignore his posts because they are so biased.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Jack, you are plainly deluded, the consultations are DHB consultations required by MMO the government decision making body. DDC were consultees under the planning process.
My personal response to the campaign group has been consistent & repeated on three occasions.
It is that the MMO should make a decision based on scientific, environmental & heritage advice received from the statutory agencies.
I make no judgement as I have no expertise in any of these fields.
In the meantime a non decision is delaying/disrupting the progress of a serious employment opportunity for this District -not just Dover.
I'll conclude my responses on this matter.
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Jan Higgins wrote:So much of a chip Howard that I usually ignore his posts because they are so biased.
Being honest isn't really the same as having a 'chip' on a shoulder.
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Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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Paul Watkins wrote:Jack, you are plainly deluded, the consultations are DHB consultations required by MMO the government decision making body. DDC were consultees under the planning process.
My personal response to the campaign group has been consistent & repeated on three occasions.
It is that the MMO should make a decision based on scientific, environmental & heritage advice received from the statutory agencies.
I make no judgement as I have no expertise in any of these fields.
In the meantime a non decision is delaying/disrupting the progress of a serious employment opportunity for this District -not just Dover.
I'll conclude my responses on this matter.
Yes I must be deluded, silly me! If the progress of serious employment is being disrupted then DHB can source the aggregate from a reputable supplier. The additional cost is negligible in comparison to the total cost of the project. It is scandelous that it has been assumed the Goodwin Sands can just be pillaged.
But I would really like to hear about these job opportunities, especially as so many of my fellow Dovorian's are working at the port on zero hour contracts.
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The ppl of Dover will be ignored as they were over the POW pier the majority do NOT want the Goodwin sands dredged.Its sheer arrogance from DDC & DHB to ignore Doverians wishes ,but then it's what Doverians have come to expect from them more from DHB then the other ,Why can't you get your sand from elsewhere ,to dredge the Goodwin is interfering with the tides , wildlife and desecrating graves
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i must be going daft here,since when has ddc run the port of dover.they can only give planning permission when needed.
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"The Mercury asked the Harbour Board to be more specific about how many jobs may be at stake, even an approximate figure, but it declined to comment."
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Why all this WILL JEOPARDISE JOBS when the only jobs so far are in doing the construction work [how many locals? You can observe the Gallaher Construction Company, busing their employees in and out of St. James's.
All other jobs are dependent on developers/invetsors joining to project. The grand total at this time is NIL.
Any extra staff needed for the the freight yard will depend on it attracting more reefers than it does at present so again at present NIL.
Have heard all these promises before none came to fulfillment.. Look at the time it has taken with Whitfield, St James and Poulton Close industrial estate never full.
All promised jobs so where are they? All the other jobs forecast are for shops and tourists cafes etc so why would they coming to Dover? Is it to use the shortened beach with limited activities? With, no activities at all.
It isn't for the POW pier, nor the fishing. Loads of income and enjoyment has been lost here. The DHB would not admit to that. Big mess up there.
Not for the Town Centre, that is for sure.
I know, it is to gaze at the splendor of a concrete pad and to watch the reefer ships [2 a week at present] arrive and to unload [correction unload part of their cargo] and then watch the forklifts taking it to identical shaped sheds. While, more and more lorries trundle up Snargate street adding to the pollution, and making it even worse to reach the town.
DHB and it's pappy Community Director, what a spokes person!! Took our money for the People's Port, led us down a merry path. Now, changed sides and tells us, indeed, threatens us, to tow the line and do what the Dover Harbour Board dictates. Otherwise we will have jobs taken away from us. Are we peasants with no minds or understanding?
Dover Harbour Board have a huge challenge, because they did not give the correct facts or specifiations. They thought no-one would question this huge dredging operation, right on our door-step.
Well they have, and the Dover Harbour Board is not being opaque about this matter.
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At last others are seeing the real face of Mr Wiggins the man who jumped ship just as it was about to go under,and then joined up with the other side.I was and still is a supporter of what the DHB is doing but not in the way they are doing it ,nothing was said about taking sand away from the Goodwins or taking on one of the leaders of the group that was going to sale the port off.If I had known I would not have been a supporter ,but I would not have joined up with the group that was on the other side.If the post Mr Wiggins now holds was unpaid would he have taken it? He will say yes now, but I do not think he would have .
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And Mr Wiggins was not the only one to jump ship our own MP.done the same thing ,he is the person who live,s in a rich bunker at the bay and sits on the fence to see which side wins then pops up to take all the Glory and has his photos put in the papers and on the TV MAKING OUT he has done all the work to get things done for Dover but in fact has done nothing it has been all done by unpaid groups within the town but at the last ,up he comes just for a photo then back to his bunker.
Till the next time,if the group saves the sand he will come out on their side if not then he will come out behind the D,H,B,if he can get a photo of himself.
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Vic is so prejudiced against Neil therefore Neil will never be right, Neil could give away thousands of pounds to good causes and Vic would still manage to find fault.
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Sorry you are wrong there Mrs Higgins all I am saying is what happen ,Mr Wiggins has put on some very good events in the town .And I would think he has helped out with some good causes over the years.But we both over the years have said to each other that the other one is wrong over what happen about the port ,we still talk to each other when we meet up even have a smile at times.But I stand with what I say about what he and others have said and done in the pass and now.But as far as I know we do not hold any grudge towards each other.But thank you for that post ,and to some members of the public I can see it might look that way,but it is not.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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as for employment,when they started digging the channel tunnel,they stated will will employ local people they did 0.05% of local people.the rest where from else where in the country.
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I think your figures are a little off Brian that equates to about 50 or so I could name that many.
At the time they held recruitment fairs for locals, the attendance was poor, and many lacked the skills required we also had high employment with the ferries at that time.
Gallagher on the Other hand are not going to hire a local team (even if dover had one) of steel riggers, we hope that when the development gets to the bricks and mortar stage there may be the chance of work for some broom pushers and muck mixers (labourers).
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