Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Still needs to be improved.Too high for a start.i expect it will be nodded through .The Councillor who spoke against it last time no longer on DDC .Who will dare to vote against it .I watch some of the meetings Planning and Cabinet .Very rarely do you see a good debate .Thats all done behind the scenes .
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 346
"It’s an excellent example of how developers and councils can work together to deliver new, contemporary building design within a historic setting"
So how come Sandwich get high quality and Dover gets low quality?
https://www.dover.gov.uk/News/Press-Releases/2021/Riverside-Restaurant-Holiday-Lets-Plan-Approved-for-Sandwich.aspxJust Sioux and Guest 4310 like this
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
Different client, developer and architect plus they liaised with DDC planning team might be the reason
or
in our case it's the bloody harbour board ignoring locals and doing stuff on the cheap again
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
The marina looked lovely this morning, it will look too cramped when they finally out the boats in and build all those shops
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,931
It would be nice to see it thrive with a lot more on it
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,546
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
"Cllr Biggs... said a public inquiry should be held to find out what has gone wrong". Er, why would I want to pay for that?
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 346
Consultants were too busy working out how they could get approval to dredge the Goodwins rather than put any science behind the project.
I hear the Oxford dictionary are adding the phrase 'doing a Dover' which means to F-something up.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,101
If DHB was a plc the shareholders would be up in arms.
If it were a Govt Dept there would be an inquiry.
Since it is neither fish nor fowl DHB will carry on bumbling along.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Sir Jeffrey Stirling (or, if you prefer, Lord Stirling of Plaistow) was desperate for the P&O Group to assume privatised control of our beloved Trust Port. By the time he was in a position to do so, after Zeebrugge and the 1988 strike, Maggie's power was on the wain.He was without doubt one of her most trusted confidants but he never got to fulfil his dream by the time she was ousted in 1990.
Good thing or bad thing? I guess we'll never know. But at least Neil is there representing all the town's folks' interests.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
"Good thing or bad thing? I guess we'll never know."
But at least they would have been more accountable unlike now.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Jan Higgins wrote:"Good thing or bad thing? I guess we'll never know."
But at least they would have been more accountable unlike now.
Quite possibly, Jan. I feel ambivalent about it. Stirling was a nasty piece of work, in my view. I was with him in Zeebrgugge after the Herald sank. He came across as pompous and really quite dismissive of the staff who went out there to do their best to help. Peter Ford, on the other hand, was the epitome of concern and empathy. No wonder they fell out shortly afterwards.
Not that this has anything to do with the current state of DHB!
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
Jan, if DHB had been taken over by P&O, they would now be accountable to His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashed al-Maktoum. I haven’t yet thought through the implications of that!
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Button- Location: Dover
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Free DWDR infill.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,931
I recall sitting in the grapes pub and a seaman telling me that P and O were forced in agreements to recognise , and every new employee went into a union. I think they called it the red or blue book?
He was horrified when I said , are you prepared for the day when they walk away from this.
He said that will never happen
How wrong he was .
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alexiatrade- Registered: 10 Oct 2018
- Posts: 89
ray hutstone...quote...."Good thing or bad thing? I guess we'll never know. But at least Neil is there representing all the town's folks' interests."
Peoples representative.....really?.....put in place in 2014...after the "People' Port" enticement....so many thousands of Dover People paid £10.00 for a "Share Certificate" in the "People's Port"....Neil Wiggins put in place as the People's Representative......Wonder what happened to all the money from the "Share Certificates." No-one knows.....
Similarly, No-one knows exactly what The People's Representative does......one of life's great mysteries........He / she was supposed to be replaced after a year...never happened....
For sure the Dover Harbour Board is answerable to no-one.....They have buried our History....put more do and don't signs along the promenade ...... than a School Room.... They now fully control all of the Harbour and Sea Front....££££££'s is their God with no benefit to Dover at all.
Actually, there is nothing we can do....except watch the huge, and more expensive balls, up taking place.
There will be more to come......
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
I can't help thinking you missed the irony in my post!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
Pedro can probably advise us on what happened to the monies from The People's Port
As for Neil he is very approachable, in and around Dover most Saturdays and will take the time to listen to/talk with you - try it and see what he has to say...
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 346
If memory serves me right both Neil Wiggins and Charlie Elphicke were joint directors of the infamous Peoples Port Trust.
Neil resigned as director to become a voice for the community on DHB but that soon evaporated when the community decided they didn't want the Goodwins dredged and he was conflicted between community and his DHB paymasters.
There was money in an account from all those poor Dovorians that were scammed into buying a share but as Charlie would now be in control of that account I suspect the money is long gone.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/community-directors-appointed-by-port-28429/Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
alexiatrade wrote:ray hutstone...quote...."Good thing or bad thing? I guess we'll never know. But at least Neil is there representing all the town's folks' interests."
Peoples representative.....really?.....put in place in 2014...after the "People' Port" enticement....Neil Wiggins put in place as the People's Representative......
Similarly, No-one knows exactly what The People's Representative does......one of life's great mysteries........He / she was supposed to be replaced after a year...never happened
Oh dear! As you can see from other threads on this forum, the term used is "Community Director". As per The Dover Harbour (Constitution) Revision Order 2016, there are two and they are appointed for 3 years as "persons who appear to the Board to have special knowledge or experience of the position of the harbour within the local community and local economy". They were first appointed in 2016, again in 2019 and their appointments end on 30 April 2022 - so you could apply soon and face the Nomination Committee: the chair of the Dover Port Users Group, the chair of the Port & Community Forum, one elected member of the Dover District Council, one elected member of Dover Town Council, the Member of Parliament for Dover and the chair of the South East Local Enterprise Partnership (sic?).
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