howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 December 2010
20:5185968quite right paul, vince is between a rock and a hard place now.
nowhere for him to go now.
Keith Sansum1
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21 December 2010
21:0685972What i don't understand is he had it all going for him
why did he decide to blow it all
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 December 2010
21:1385975keith
that last comment reminded me of a previous yellow politician.
i think his name was jeremy thorpe.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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21 December 2010
21:1485977i remember old jeremy well
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 December 2010
21:1585978not in the biblical sense i trust keith.
Jan Higgins
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21 December 2010
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 December 2010
08:2986018getting back to the thread, today in the torygraph they have reported three more ministers (of course all lib dem) complaining about the reductions in child benefit and that it will put some back into poverty.
the coolition cant survive with all these rumblings, and its no good nick and dave trying to paper over the cracks.
cameron was right to remove cable on decisions on murdock but cable remains in place, and will continue to gaff.
i think cleggy is in a no win situation but he should remove cable and rebuild, but the longer he lets this go on the more he will be pulled down.
The lib dems we can see are in real melt down, many of there MP's suddenly waking up to the fact that there seats are to be lost.
to little to late????????
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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22 December 2010
10:0286021As mentioned previously..it would have been very difficult to sack Vince Cable outright and this has turned out to be the case. In normal circumstances dear oul Vince would have walked the plank quickstyle, but if he had of been ousted well what then... there is no one else of any note on the Libdem side to take his place. Threadbare for talent.
The Coalition would have been in danger of no longer being a Coalition had Uncle Vince gone. Heavens! a fate worse than death! Shrewd operators Cameron and Clegg did what they needed to do to protect themselves and their Coalition colaboration. Who wants another election right now...just about nobody.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 December 2010
10:1086024PAULB
I agree with your comments ref who needs an election, but thats not to move away from the fact that the coolition is crumbling.
suddenly we are seeing the real lib dems(apart from cleggy)
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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22 December 2010
13:5286055BarryW.
In response to your reply "I do not see any connection between the two, different issues totally".#65 Re- WFA & bankers bonus's.
May I point out a possible connection?
Bankers might rely on their bonus's to survive in the financial world.
OAP's definitely rely on Winter Fuel Allowance to survive in the real world.
I am sure your right with all your "City's competitive positioning" and "overseas income generation" but many elderly people would make their own connection, if Winter Fuel Allowance was scrapped and bankers bonus's was not.
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Brian Dixon
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22 December 2010
16:0086079carrying on futher from garyc's post,if they scrap the bankers bonus in order to pay the winter fuel alowence.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 December 2010
16:3086080i would agree with that where banks have been bailed out by the tax payer, but the other banks who kept their noses clean have the right to pay their staff what they feel to be right.
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22 December 2010
16:5086085Howard, I do not have a problem with any worker from any industry, at any level getting bonuses for achieving good working goals, I do however have a big problem with power companies and banks dishing out ridiculously high bonus's when Mr. & Mrs. Average are struggling just to survive. So no, not just those that have been bailed out but also those that have been reaping the benefits for many years now and it's about time the shareholders did their bit as well. Especially if we are all supposed to be in this recession together.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 December 2010
17:0686086i am sure that you did not take dave seriously with his "all in it together" routine.
the utility companies will continue to stripe us up as before and the banks when doing well will ride the gravy train.
that is the way of things, this government (like the last one) will leave office knowing that the gap between rich and poor has got wider.
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22 December 2010
18:2486094GaryC - thankfully saner heads than those obsessed with levelling down will determine the bank bonus issue. If you want to destroy one of the few efficient, profitable and world class industries that we still have then you interfere in the remuneration structures. Financial services at that level is so easily transportable across borders. And, yes, despite the vilification piled on the banking side and their use as Brown's scapegoats for his errors this remains a vital industry for the UK.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 December 2010
18:4786097oh well lets hope barryw doesnt influence national conservative thinking
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 December 2010
21:3586116So you want to destroy a profitable and successful industry in the UK Keith, that figures, you are sympathetic to the unions who are well experienced in bringing whole indurties to destruction.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 December 2010
22:2786120with respect barry you are living in the past, the 1960s and 1970s are a lifetime away from todays generation.
nowadays it is all about discussion and compromise.
good employers will listen to their workforce in order to gain advantage in the market.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 December 2010
22:3986122howard
barryw's misinformed views of trade unions realy is not worthy of a reply
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 December 2010
08:2086145Mis-informed Keith - well informed, I lived through that destruction....
As for now, Howard - very complacent if you think they have not changed their spots, they remain as mad and bad as ever, look at that McClusky as an example.
Thankfully people in the private sector see no need for these monsters any more and they are largely confined to the public sector.
Interesting though, I get accused of living in the past when I remind people of the menace of the Unions and yet the left still whinge on and on about Mrs T who saved us from them....
