howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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I cannot seem to open the planning application link, but the express have the story on the website today.
I'm disappointed at the decision to locate flag pole tucked away in the corner. In the military everything is always ordered from centre out, symmetrically as possible, even to the heights of troops on parade smallest guy in the centre tallest on the ends, if this isn't possible then flag flying protocols would dictate that the pole should be located to the left of buidings and after all it is primarily a military memorial!
http://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/british-flags/flying-flags-in-the-united-kingdom/british-flag-protocol/Arte et Marte
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I can not see the DDC page either.
My preferred choice would be two flag poles one either side towards the rear on the edge of the garden.
Objections have/are being lodged about the position but to be honest I do not really mind where the flag pole is situated so long as we get one.
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Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Just go
here and put 14/01193 in the search box.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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The 2 pole option would be my preferred choice also Jan.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Thanks Ray I'll check it out now.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 objections so far, mainly about the position of the pole.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Objections are mounting ten at last look.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We know the ob jector's names but some of their comments are not shown, I have no idea why.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Seems Augusta managed to get the objections to the proposed position that she wanted.
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Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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Some comments are in the attachments section as are letters/emails etc.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Thanks Darren, most of the objectors seem concerned that the positioning of the pole would mean the flag being unable to fly often and also the risk of vandalism to neighbouring properties.
I would imagine that a new planning application would need to be put in to satisfy the objectors.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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On the drawings looks to be a building one at 30 degrees
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Extract from DTC minutes, seems that Mrs Pearson has been economical with the truth yet again.
166. WAR MEMORIAL UPDATE
The Town Council received the following statement from Mrs P Carr concerning the War Memorial.
"Thank you for the opportunity to address the council in response to the proposal to erect a flagpole upon the
grounds of the Dover War Memorial.
It is clearly and understandably a highly emotive issue and I must stress that this objection does not signify
any disrespect towards the flag or those who serve it. Neither does it imply or diminish my reverence to those
represented by the memorial. Despite several attempts at dialogue this objection seems the only recourse to
pursue open debate and provide clarity.
The Statue of Youth and plinths were designed to a specific height to not impede on the view of Maison Dieu
House, not only is this listed but the War Memorial itself was given grade II listed status in 2012 to erect a
flagpole behind and directly in line with the statue is an insult to its artistic quality.
I believe the proposal cannot be considered as a true representation of the signed petition as they differ in their
objectives. It clearly stated behind the statue on the submitted proposal whilst the petition used to gather
signatures only states a flagpole outside Dover Town Council offices. This has led to confusion and the
misinterpretation of facts for some signatories, some also deem the petition redundant with the flag now flown
24/7 upon the Town Hall.
I may raise in example the claim within the proposal (which sadly was also quoted as fact on social media) of
the full support from Lord Boyce when in fact in communication with Lord Boyce mysef; the alleged
conversation does not correspond with August Pearson's interpretation. Lord Boyce is of the opinion that the
War Memorial speaks for itself and he does not have a view on the matter about flying another by
the war memorial.
Various comments and visuals on social media indicate there was various positions preferred to erect a flagpole
and also to which flag is flown, reinforcing that although they support the petition not all people are aware that
the proposal which has been submitted has only one singular placement to be considered by Council.
Though I personally reject a flagpole upon the memorial site I believe a local debate would be the best way
forward. An opportunity for various opinions and proposals to be heard and considered, leading to an
informed final decision by a true majority. No singular proposal can be accepted by the Council until a true
indication of the feeling of majority can be found".
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I not sure why Howard posted the above as this refers to a DTC meeting held quite a while ago, not sure of the meetings date.
The trouble is everyone has their own agenda and only give their own blinkered view on any subject.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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By all accounts the plan has been passed and a flagpole will be erected in the corner nearest the YMCA shop.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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The following has been posted on Facebook, so your information was not quite correct Howard.
"James Back The application that came before us was for a flag pole to the right of the main building, (in the corner), so rather than refuse it we passed it and suggested that DTC moved it nearer the monument, The planning department did suggest to DTC that it would be better if the flag pole was on the grass near the monument, but they put in an application placing it in the corner, so we had to make a judgment on planning grounds, and hope that DTC changed their minds and put it where the people of Dover wanted it in the first place."
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Guest 1348- Registered: 20 Sep 2014
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Information from Howard is correct. the application has been approved it is only a suggestion that the planning committee made and is not enforceable, DTC don't have to take any notice of that as it was said in the meeting it is a strong advisory but they do not have to take any notice of it.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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From what I've read here, talking to people who were at the meeting, and my own experiences over the conversion of The Hope at Lydden to residential use, the planning committee aren't 'fit for purpose'.
If they are making a decision on planning grounds it should be enforceable, if it's not enforceable why are they wasting time considering it?