Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Closets cosing up at Christmas .......how lovely......
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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throughout my life although being a cllr of labour party for years I never had to go round stating i belonged to a particular party.
most people voted for me because of the work i did.
I had people vote for me from all political and non political backgrounds.
it appears on the forum at times, we have people trying to justify why they are or are not part of a political party.
life is strange
to me, it doesn't really bother me if someone does or does not belong or active in a party
it does get a little frustrating when they decide to deny or are embarrassed to say they are part of a set up.
life is strange
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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What I find annoying is the assumption that everyone on here has to be a supporter of a particular party, in the past I have been accused of being a closet Conservative.
There are far more people who are potential floating voters (like myself) or have absolutely no interest in politics at all and as a result never vote.
Happy Christmas
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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UN and EU in unison.....................
UK immigration bill could create 'climate of ethnic profiling' - UNHCR
UN refugee agency condemns bill which seeks to restrict access to benefits and force temporary migrants to pay for services
António Guterres, UN high commissioner for refugees, raised concerns that the immigration bill could damage communities and lead to the marginalisation of refugees and asylum-seekers. Photograph: Salvatore Di Nolfi/AP
The UN refugee agency has condemned David Cameron's proposed immigration laws over fears they could stigmatise foreigners, deny housing to people in need and create a "climate of ethnic profiling".
In a highly critical document, the office of the United Nations high commissioner for refugees, António Guterres, raised concerns that the immigration bill will damage communities and lead to the marginalisation of refugees and asylum-seekers.
It comes after Tories reacted angrily to the UN's special investigator on housing, Raquel Rolnik, who warned earlier this year that the bedroom tax was causing "shocking" hardship in parts of the UK.
Full story Guardian
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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sounds like a british version of jewish ghettos as inspired by mr adolf hitlers party.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Jan;
As i said above I dont realy care who does/does not belong to a party
and like many that say they dont have interest in politics, you do certainly post on most of the popular threads(which are the political ones) and of course thats your right.
Reg;
to show we don't always agree, i think we have an issue in the UK of what to do next, living in and around the priory area I have seen first hand the problems,
from as far back as when the problems worsened through very much an open door policy, there has to be some change,
I have before today highlighted issues on this forum from the priory area, and affects on the locals.
In years gone by priory residents had the govts flagship channel tunnel being built(I won't go into the rights or wrongs of that decision)
workers came from all over the UK to help build it, with many taking up houses along the Folkestone Road area, Of course it was good for the economy, but once it was built, they all moved out(many trashing the houses) and the residents had to try to then get back to normal life.
Following this bootleggers came on the scene, coming from all over the UK but this time with more serious affects, rival gangs from up North, were clearly operating in and around Dover, and threatening shop keepers in Newcastle/Liverpool to sell there goods.
Some of you may remember we did in this time end up with a shooting in Manor Road when 2 gangs fell foul of each other
something that no one expected to see in such a nice place as Manor Road.
At the time Hoverspeed didn't help as they encouraged bootleggers by encourging them to do even more bootlegging
without considering the affects on the local population.
intimidating on the ships by bootleggers wanting passengers allowances, threats in the street, gangland warfare,
Eventually it came to a end, and many of the bootleggers returned to there home towns.
Then came the Immigration Issue, an unthinking Labour Govt following on from other poor govts, decided to do little when the issue of immigration raised its head.
At the time, Immigrants outnumbered the local population, which wasn't a healthy way to try to deal with the issue.
Also agencies were not working together, many of those that came over from other countries at war, we saw them put in the same hotel, and once the Social services went home at 5pm, they were at each other with baseball bats all night.
It did make me form the Priory forum, set up to help the deprived ward.
Many meetings took place getting all the agencies together to try to iron out the issues as seen by people living in the Priory ward
Attendee's included, councils, Migrant helpline, MP;s office, local people,
At one meeting I got asylum seeker at the time to come along and tell his story of how he was shot, purely for having a different political belief, and he would be killed if he returned to his country, he was made that promise.
But tensions were rising, and it was recognised that something had to be done, as Folkestone Road because of how long it was with all those houses, being used at the time to house many asylum seekers.
I got hold of the MP;s office, and Govt, explaining this just cannot continue, and there is a risk of fights/stabbings etc if something isn't done.
Sadly soon after at one the annual Dover fairground days, a stabbing did take place.
Following this the Home secretary of the time (Jack Straw) said he would come to Dover to meet the priory forum,
of course the security for this had to be tight, and it was with surprize that everyone on the forum kept quiet about the visit
but it appeared a police personell had let out mr straws visit
and of course the national press was outside the venue as everyone left.
Although promises were made, many didnt materialise, but one that took pressure off the priory ward
and probably after our meeting with mr Straw, was the Govts Dispersal operation.
Following this with tensions still high, I spoke with KCC/DDC/DTC/POLICE/MP/MIGRANT HELPLINE/SOCIALSERVICES ETC
To have a public meeting at the clarendon and westbury hall.
Every agency agreed to turn up apart from migrant helpline.
where each agency explained there role, and listened to, and answered questions from local residents in a packed hall.
Unfortunatly one of the 2 local papers attempted to hype up tension, whilst the other local paper gave an informed unbiased
report on the meeting.
Prior to the meeting all the agencies warned me off holding such a meeting, of course that wasn';t going to happen.
99% of those present went away more informed of the situation(whether or not they agreed with it) and were able to have there say.
We are now facing very similar issues around the priory area, and the cllrs and agencies will probably need to be seen to a lot more active in trying to resolve it.
To do nothing could go back to the dark days of those years gone by.
Seeing children from other countries coming over purely for a better life, not attending school, so out on the streets
many adults coming over, not working, also hanging around the streets, taking from society, but giving nothing back
Priory residents I believe have been very tolerant over the years where there lives have been torn apart many times, and come out the other end.
Well, no can say this was a one line wonder,,,,,,,,lol
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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interesting post keith although i think you could have typed it more slowly for those of who do not read too fast.
it was desperately important to hold that meeting and no surprise that the useless migrant helpline failed to show, there representative attended a meeting of the reconstituted priory forum a few years back, one of those with all the chat but no desire to help sort out problems.
getting back to the comments made by the high commissioner for refugees he calls for anyone entering the country to have equal housing rights with the indigenous population. clearly in his ivory tower he doesn't know that we have a long waiting list for social housing and that many recent immigrants are housed in garden sheds, outhouses and garages.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Keith, I will repeat what I have said before.............. I have not said I am not interested in politics but like many others I do get fed up with a lot of the pettiness and tit-for-tat that tends to invade so many threads.
I am extremely grateful I have your permission to post if I feel so inclined and will read the rest of your post when I have more time.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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jan;
you dont need my permission
thankfully the forum doesnt work that way
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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posts #226/and 227.intresting comments made by both partys.
the imagrints I have no problem with.left alone and will behave and intergrate.
bootleggers also had no problem with,traveled on the ferrys and hovercraft,i had no one pestering me for my alowences at all.
summing up if all partys are left to get on the trouble if any will die away.
final thought ddc housig along with kcc know who the warring factions are so they could be housed in different areas of the town/country.as well the Folkestone road residents might benefit from the education on how to understand how the eastern Europeans live.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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K Bibby appears to epitomise the UKIP members.
His odsous posts are never challenged by his fellow UKIPers or closets.
His posts indicate he would be comfortable in a few other `protest parties`
How many of his fellow supporters and closets would also be comfortable in the other
`protest parties `?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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rather unfortunate post from you reg, treading carefully not to smear fellow members but actually doing so - not up to your usual standard.
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Reg
You persist with your accusations
The truth is reg,, my views are mainstream of the ordinary man in the street
I think murderers and rapists should hang, lots of people in Dover may agree with me
Why should the taxpayer, pay to lock up murders for 25 years ,when its cheaper, and more just to hang them?
The victims don't get a say.
Reg ,or should I say Walter,
,,, You're turning into a bit of a fantasist regarding ordinary ukip members.
Next you'll be tweeting,, accusing ukip members of trying to bundle you into a
Car-boot or something more ridiculous .
Happy Christmas you old goat
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Howard;
have to say we dont often get replies from the local leading lights on here who are dominating the forum.
just to reply to Keith B I don't think its correct that people want to see anyone hang
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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There are always the extremists....................... thank goodness that is all they are.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ukip have always been the leading party on here keith - remember the interminable thread that eventually died out?
the main posters jumped ship or were pushed, now we have the new chaps on the block posting.
we don't have any other party members posting here, not the fault of ukip.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan;
its the extremists that gives them a bad name
not sure if your saying keith b is an extremist?
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Keith s
That's because your a wet ,and partly responsible for the mess
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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keith b
dont understand that
howard
under paulb the tories dominated the forum, but after some of there views were challenged many drifted away
it has gone through many differing shades since
and now UKIP
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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let's look at the present situation keith, peter, john and keith b dominate the political side - not their fault.
nobody from the reds make an effort although i have to admit that when i see gordon in town he gives me the rundown on what is happening from his point of view - you and reg are not with them anymore.
charlie and clair are both fixated on deal and neither would consider joining the forum, chas is tied in with the "express" and sticks to his facebook page as does clair.
i try to get out and cover both of them when they are in town but that gets less and less, i would stress however that every time i have asked to lift something from clair's website she has kindly agreed.