Andy B
- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
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Mr Underwood the digger driver??
Guest 1385- Registered: 27 Oct 2014
- Posts: 322
Sorry Mr B. I did not ask his name
Grey haired gent and a bit of a beard.
Andy B- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,818
Thats him,a frail and kindly old gent with a long flowing beard.
Guest 1385- Registered: 27 Oct 2014
- Posts: 322
That,s him Mr B. Do you know this chap ? Very helpful with his comments on the site. Telling me a bit of History about the place. Had about 10/15 minutes chatting with him.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Apparently there is still work going on at the former Westmount site. I have been told that trees have been uprooted and earthworks going on. It is common knowledge that protected species like badgers, slow worms and bats live up there. Does anyone know the regulations on such matters as all I can see is permission for the building to be demolished.?
Guest 1708- Registered: 9 Mar 2016
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_______________________________________________________ NOTIFICATION OF
whoever is working on site is breaking the law, the building application below has expired so new plans will have to be drawn up, but the condition of the plans below will still have to be met.
paragraph 4,5,6,8, 13 and 14
so please for the wild animals birds reptiles bats etc please,please complain to the enforcement team at DDC
GRANT OF Full Planning Permission _______________________________________________________________________
Proposal: Residential development of site to provide a total of 97 residential units, comprising:change of use and conversion of main Westmount building to provide 19 flats, partial rebuild/repair of exiting fire damaged building and erection of four-storey rear extension, erection of 78 dwellings (comprising 26 dwellinghouses and 52 flats), together with associated substation, engineering operations, alterations to existing access, landscaping and parking (as amended)
Location: Westmount Education Centre, Folkestone Road, Dover _________________________________________________________________________
TAKE NOTICE that Dover District Council, the District Planning Authority under the Town and Country Planning Act, HAS GRANTED Full Planning Permission for the proposal in accordance with the application and accompanying plans received on 23/05/2008
SUBJECT TO SUCH CONDITIONS AS ARE SPECIFIED hereunder together with the reasons for their imposition:
1 The development hereby permitted shall be begun before the expiration of three years from the date of this permission. Reason: In pursuance of Section 91 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 (as amended) and to enable the matter to be considered in the light of any material change in planning circumstances.
DOV/08/00619
2 Not more than 75% (54) of the open market residential units within the application site shall be occupied until all 25 of the affordable housing units shown on the Affordable Housing Layout drawing reference 28/50/2008 (rev C) have been constructed and made ready for occupation, the freehold interest of all the Affordable Housing Units has been transferred to a Registered Social Landlord, and the registered social landlord has entered into a deed of nomination rights with the Council. 18 of the affordable housing units shall comprise social rented accommodation, with the remainder being released on the basis of shared equity. From the date of the substantial completion of the affordable housing units they shall not be used other than for affordable housing, as defined in Annex B of PPS 3 (Dover District Local Plan Policy HS9 and the Council's SPD: ‘Delivering Affordable Housing Through the Planning System’ and South East Plan policy H3). Reason: In order to ensure meet the full range of the district's housing needs in accordance with national guidance and development plan policy. 3 The affordable housing units shown on the Affordable Housing Layout drawing reference 28/50/2008 (rev C) shall achieve Level 3 of the Code for Sustainable Homes. No such dwelling shall be occupied until a final Code Certificate has been issued for it certifying that Code Level 3 has been achieved (Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1 and South East Plan policy NRM11). Reason: In order to ensure greater energy and water efficiency through the design and layout of new development and so reduce the use of natural resources.
4 No site clearance or other works at the site which may affect reptiles or their habitat shall be carried out until a detailed mitigation strategy has been submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority. All works shall then proceed in accordance with the approved strategy unless otherwise agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority (Planning Policy Statement 9 and South East Plan Policy NRM5). Reason: In order to ensure the protection of wildlife habitats and species and so enhance biodiversity.
5 No site clearance in connection with the development hereby permitted shall take place until a badger licence has been obtained from Natural England and a badger mitigation strategy has been submitted to and approved, in writing, by the Local Planning Authority. Any works likely to affect badgers or their setts shall proceed strictly in accordance with the approved strategy unless otherwise agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority (Planning Policy Statement 9 and South East Plan Policy NRM5). Reason: In order to ensure the protection of wildlife habitats and species and enhance biodiversity.
6 The development hereby permitted shall not commence until a biodiversity and landscape management plan has been submitted to and approved, in writing, by the Local Planning Authority to ensure the proper long term maintenance of the newly created chalk grassland/woodland transitional zone (Planning Policy Statement 9 and Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1 and South East Plan Policy NRM5); Reason: In order to ensure the protection of wildlife habitats and species and enhance biodiversity, and in the interests of visual amenity.
DOV/08/00619
7 The development hereby permitted shall not commence until a development sequence plan has been submitted to and approved, in writing, by the Local Planning Authority; upon approval, the development shall be carried out strictly in accordance with the plan, unless previously agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority (Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1). Reason: In order to ensure that the development proceeds in a logical manner which causes minimum harm to residential amenity or other interests of acknowledged importance.
8 No site clearance in connection with the development hereby permitted shall take place during the breeding season for birds (March - July inclusive) (Planning Policy Statement 9 and South East Plan policy NRM5). Reason: In order to ensure the protection of wildlife habitats and species and enhance biodiversity.
9 The development hereby permitted shall not commence, nor shall any demolition take place, until a building and structural survey has been undertaken of Westmount, and this has been submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority. Demolition at Westmount shall be strictly limited to that set out in the approved survey (Dover District Local Plan policy DD1). Reason: To clarify and agree the extent of internal alterations and demolition and to safeguard features worthy of retention.
10 All windows and external doors to Westmount shall be of timber construction, and all cornices, all materials and external finishes shall match those currently existing at the property unless previously agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority (Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1). Reason: In order to ensure a high quality development.
11 Details in the form of samples, of bricks, roof tiles and all other external materials to be used on any part of the development hereby permitted, including all approved new build works and works related to the conversion, shall be submitted and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority before commencement of the development (Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1). Reason: In the interests of visual amenity. 12 No development shall take place until the applicant, their agents or successors in title, has secured the implementation of a programme of archaeological work in accordance with a written specification and timetable which has been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority.(South East Plan policy BE6). Reason: To ensure that features of archaeological interest are properly examined and recorded
DOV/08/00619
13 In this condition " retained tree" means an existing tree which is to be retained in accordance with the approved plans and particulars; and paragraphs (a) and (b) below shall have effect until the expiration of 5 years from the date of the occupation of the building for its permitted use.
(a) No retained tree shall be cut down, uprooted or destroyed, nor shall any retained tree be topped or lopped other than in accordance with the approved plans and particulars, without the written approval of the Local Planning Authority. Any topping or lopping approved shall be carried out in accordance with British Standard 3998 (Tree Work);
(b) If any retained tree is removed, uprooted or destroyed or dies, another tree shall be planted at the same place and that tree shall be of such size and species, and shall be planted at such a time, as may be specified in writing by the Local Planning Authority;
(c) The erection of fencing or any other approved measure for the protection of any retained tree shall be undertaken in accordance with the approved plans and particulars before any equipment, machinery or materials are brought on to the site for the purposes of the development, and shall be maintained until all equipment, machinery and surplus materials have been removed from the site. Nothing shall be stored or placed in any area fenced or otherwise defined in accordance with this condition and the ground levels within those areas shall not be altered, nor shall any excavation be made, without the written consent of the Local Planning Authority.(Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1). Reason: To ensure that adequate provision is made for protection of existing trees during development works and their subsequent retention and in the interests of enhancing the quality and enjoyment of the environment.
14 No development shall take place until full details of proposed tree, shrub and hedge planting and the proposed times of planting have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. The details shall include replacement tree planting to the west and east of the main building, and replacement habitats for breeding birds. Upon approval, all planting shall be carried out in accordance with those details and at those times. If within a period of five years from the date of the planting of any tree or shrub that tree or shrub, or any tree or shrub planted in replacement for it, is removed, uprooted or destroyed or dies (or becomes in the opinion of the Local Planning Authority, seriously damaged or defective) another tree or shrub of the same species and size as that originally planted shall be planted at the same place, unless the Local Planning Authority gives its written consent to any variation.(Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1) Reason: To ensure that adequate provision is made for the planting of trees, shrubs and hedges and in the interests of enhancing the quality and enjoyment of the environment.
15 No development shall take place until full details of hard landscape works have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. The details shall include surface materials, all boundary treatments, details of all retaining walls (height, sections, position and materials) and full details of raised gardens. Upon approval, all works shall be carried out as approved (Dover District Local Plan Policy
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
The afore mentioned links in what other people have told me and I have been advised to contact Kent Willdlife Liason Police to notify them of any possible law breaking.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Certainly causing a stir on social media with someone living the other side of the site and now can see through to Folkestone Road. trees being hacked down with impunity and we will end up with a bare hillside. A lot of questions will be asked on this one and someone's head is likely to roll.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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By all accounts the principal ecologist at DDC says it is nothing to with him but a matter for Kent police, easier said than done.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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We had a similar situation in Lydden with lots of residents complaining about breach of wildlife regulations on a development site (there's only one so not hard to guess who are the perpetrators). I even accused the Managing Director of the company face-to-face of criminal offences at a public consultation meeting, and just got a blank look before he walked away.
When the matter was raised with Planning at DDC we were told developers often build the cost of fines into their budget, and DDC would do nothing about it as they didn't have the resources to investigate.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Slightly different scenario Ray. in the case of Westmount there is no planning application therefore no developers as I see it. The only application was to demolish the building, nothing about earthworks. In this case Dover Demolition company should pay any fines for criminal offences, not sure how that affects Mr Rix's position of town councillor.
The second point you make about resources is a valid one as the Ecology expert at DDC only does a 3 day week.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Not quite right Howard - planning permission was granted (as in extract above) to Trinity View Homes Ltd in 2008. As long as they started the development within 3 years they are acting within the permission.
Lots of documents relating to the application
here, including the wildlife surveys.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I don't know where that last bit come from Ray there hasn't been a new application lodged since 2008. The one then says that unless some work is done within 3 years then a completely new application has to come in. The gates have been shut and bolted until recently and also the entrance was always blocked by cars using it as an unofficial off street parking site.
Guest 1708- Registered: 9 Mar 2016
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Planning was granted in 2009, no work was ever carried out, plans have lapsed new plans have to be submitted, the only application was to demolish the old building as was classed as unsafe, on that application no trees were being felled, there is no application at present of new plans being put forward
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Why keep on about the same thing,they would have been within law ,what ever that was at the time and is today.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
My advice is to contact either Cllr Wallace or Cllr Richardson both members of the Planning Committee and also Ward Councillors for that area.Im sure the tree should not be removed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Too late for councillor's intervention , now a matter for the police to decide if any criminal act has taken place.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
There will be no intervention by any one please drop it.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
If they are breaking the law, as it seems they are, then why should it be dropped? Vic if you have no interest then don't follow the thread.
Arte et Marte
