Guest 650- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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For post 78 - we publish on Dover's Virtual Memorial the names of those whose families and friends request that they should be commemorated. Whenever a new name is requested we update the list. The list we've been compiling since the last update, in 2009, may be seen here.
http://www.doverwarmemorialproject.org.uk/Casualties/MissingNames/List%20of%20Additions.htmThank you Maggie I really appreciate the link . I find it difficult to pick out the "unworthy" deaths from the descriptions on the list , maybe Im just not clever enough .
Brian Dixon
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thanks for clearing your part up maggie.
R
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Just my opinion but, if you are killed by enemy action waiting for a bus or train or just standing at your front door then you are in a 'theatre of war' and should be so honoured.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
No arguments from me, Chris. I too struggle with the word "worthy". Arrogance is very unattractive.
Sounds ok to me Chris , I think 6 years old is a little young to have to prove ones "worthyness"
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Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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It was not that long ago a gravestone in Dover was rededicated for a young boy that met a sudden end on the platform of Dover Priory station. His former playmates were at the ceremony. People going to work on the seafront during the war were subjected to straffing runs by war planes, the same action that killed so many on the roads to Dunkirk, that makes Dover a conflict zone by any estimation.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Jan Higgins
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Maybe there should be a commemorative addition that is dedicated to "All Those Who Died As A Result Of War Or Conflict", that should cover everyone.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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I think this all comes down to respect, to be honest.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not seen much respect towards gordon on this thread.
What there has been is a question which is. Was the word "worthy" used and if not how is he going to correct it . Thats not exactly disrespectful Howard . Or have I got it wrong and Gordan is worthy of a special kind of respect not used when other politicians are referenced ?
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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As Chris says above, Dover was definitely a conflict zone throughout the war because of its strategic importance, and not just from aerial attacks but uniquely from shelling once the enemy had reached Calais.
My mother lived with my grandparents on Snargate St from the start of the war until she was evacuated to Wales, and often had to dash into the caves behind to avoid bombs, shells and strafing, once being blown off her feet when she wasn't far enough inside. My grandfather worked in the docks throughout the war on duties that were war related and nothing to do with his pre-war civilian job, if he had been killed at work it would definitely have been in service of his country and worthy of inclusion.
Thanks to Maggie's link above I've been looking at the accepted 2009 list and the rejected 2012 list and am baffled, there's not a lot of difference and some on both lists even died in the same events - eg "aboard the HMS Eclipse when it struck a mine"
re #91, that's what comes of not giving an adequate explanation for a perverse decision.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no sarah, firstly he should be accorded the respect of being called gordon, councillor cowan or mr cowan, anything less is pure and simple bad manners.
secondly we do not know if he has used the words attributed to him, all we are getting is second hand stuff.
thirdly we do not know if he has e mailed paulb with his side of the story.
finally i do not expect special respect given to any local politico but frankly i have not seen the bile aimed at him in some posts on this thread aimed at anyone else.
Howard, questioning a really questionable decision or statement is not disrespectful. Using the word Worthy regarding someones death may be interpreted that way.
I have Howard , from reading the Elite greedy Pigs thread or the threads about public employees or the threads about David Cameron or other politicains .
I refered to him as Gordon Cowan as that is the name given in the link from your initial post so I am slightly baffled as to why that is inappropriate .
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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What I would like to know is:
1) Were the names considered by the Committee on a case-by-case basis, or were they taken with one decision (i.e. rejection) for all?
2) If they were considered individually, why were many of those names who were clearly killed in action on the DWMP list rejected?
If they were considered together, surely this is inappropriate. Each death deserves individual reconsideration as per the circumstances. The relatives deserve this.
Could a private fund be raised to have a plaque made if deemed the only way forward?
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Howard, it's not second hand stuff (apart from Keith's post #62!
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The link from the initial post has direct quotes from him which people are commenting on, the press do not make up quotes for professional pride and fear of legal consequences.
I used his surname because I could not remember his forename. Apologies. Will he apologise if he has indeed used that word in relation to a death? He may well have chosen to email PaulB and thus delayed a response on here. He could, of course, have simply posted as others do, or gone through one of his chums who posts. It does feel a little as if it is not taken seriously.
Thank you Ray , I went back to the original post to double check the link just incase I was imagining the whole piece.
