Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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No I do not think so, I will still support UKIP but to stand again would mean walking and leafleting again and that is what I can not do anymore,and if I can not do that there is no point in standing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, I was not doubting nor critisizing the military experience or service of the British generals!!! I did state which family I was referring to, and this means that the generals are not meant! Where you get your knowledge from concerning military contributions in Afghanistan of the family, goes beyond my knowledge!
However, I will leave this topic for a bit, as the whole mess-up of the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq (where it would seem that Al Quaeda has set up its base, yes, in Irag), is far too hot to be dealt with here!
It's a sad situation, only, my views are, that British soldiers should NOT be sacrificed in order to accompany Afghan Muslims women and children to school! That's all! If Afghan women wear burkas in Afghanistan doesn't bother me, I couldn't give a damn, and I don't want our soldiers being sacrificed there. That's all!
yes, I repeat, Barry, what Afghan women wear in Afghanistan or whether their daughters go to school, doesn't bother me in the least!
I am sincerely in favour of a British gov. looking after the affairs of the British People and making sure that British women don't have to cover their faces because their men have been sacrificed for your darned human rights jazz of Afghan women! These don't bother me, and I don't care what hey wear, ok!
And the British gov. should protect British girls AND schoolgirls from Asian gangs reducing them into prostitution in Britain. Ok Barry!
Your Afghan human rights jazz doesn't bother me! It's not worth the life of one British soldier. In Dover, I like to think of our Town as the heritage of the Dovorians, British Dovorians, and what Afghan women wear in Helmandland doesn't interest me! I don't care!
Alexander, you can be a complete tart at times, and this is one of them I'm afraid. You must be the only person in the entire nation who doesn't know about the combat exploits of Mrs Windsors boys.
If this is what we can expect from UKIP it's a good job extinction won't be too far off!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Afghan human rights jazz, Alexander - I am not bothered by all that crap. I want Afghanistan to be stable and to be able to resist the Taliban so it does not fall back to being a training ground for terrorists or add to the threat of a nuclear armed Pakistan falling to muslim extremists.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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To take control of Immigration we must leave the EU.
fROM 1948 TO 2008 at least 11million people that we know of have come to Britain.Frm 1997to 2008 over 6million migrants arrived, and almost 4 million people left the country.Immigration now adds over 200.000new people to the population each year .
Britain is one of the most densely populated countries in the world,in England alone we have over 1.000 people per square mile.Amazingly we are more densely populated than China,India or Japan.
Immigration is effectively uncontrolled,unlimited, and indiscriminate in the real meaning of that word.We have no power to control of immigration from within the EU.
But Vic, we didn't join the Eu until 1970 or thereabouts so that's 22 years of your timeline where there was no EU affect. In fact, we invited Caribbean and third world workers here to help make-up the shortfall caused by the war losses.
Then we had the troubles in Uganda, Kenya and Rhodesia, all adding to the influx of foreign, but Commonwealth, workers.
So, at the end of the day, the real problem of uncontrolled immigration was caused by the New Labour/Labour Governments of 1997-2010.
That being said I agree we need to tighten our borders, repatriate soonest those being held and set minimalist and tight quotas for future entrants. Leaving the EU won't be the answer in my view.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i seem to remember reading that 1948 was when an act was passed encouraging countries like ourselves to accept refugees.
maybe vic is referring to that.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There have been many periods in fairly recent history where we have encouraged people from overseas to come here - some from within Europe, many from without.
We asked for people, as Sid said, from the Carribean, various countries in Africa - not many Rhodesians came here after being betrayed by Britain and various Prime Ministers; from Harold MacMillan and his "Wind of Change" speech, Harold Wilson, several times, through to Margaret Thatcher at the end.
The numbers from the various countries at those times, were not great, it is only since the increase of European countries, where we have allowed people to come here and the fact we had no real immigration controls so we didn't know who was who or what was what and it was an open-door policy, later admitted by Labour as part of their long-term policy: flood-gate is a more accurate description.
Of course people will come here for a better life, more money, better housing, education, etc. etc. than what they have in their own country.
The problem is that we can't afford to keep these flood-gates open - and not just on financial grounds either.
If we are staying in the EU, we must negotiate stronger, more robust immigration levels and limits. If we can't.....................
Roger
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Total misunderstanding of the situation baz/roger
We can blame the labour govt for all our ills
but in reality the tories started the flow tio allow other countries persons to move to britain,
I accept at times labour didnt help.
but this has been a long term thing, past govts also if there is blame zshould be blamed.
further where do we stop
paulb and others like my mum are from southern ireland
are we saying send them home to?????
come on guys and girls get a grip
And Mark and his family would be sent home too back to southern ireland and members of my family to .
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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so where do you stop
also would the NHS run without other nationalities
also BR(as it was)
think again baz/roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don't think that anyone here has suggested anyone back, the argument now is that the country is full to over flowing and the infrastructure cannot take anymore.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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So who do we send home howard?
where do we stop?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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read my post again keith, there is no suggestion of anyone being sent home.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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So we allow everyone to stay and close down the borders?
We send home the illegal immigrants and those whose visa's have expired Keith. Can''t believe you don't understand that and agree, therefore probably just mischief making. Howard explained it twice.
When I was a young lad, maybe around 8-10 years old, I remember my father and uncles discussing the high levels of immigration from Ireland and making all the usual statemetns about benefits, taking jobs, council houses etc. So, I guess it was also so and will always be so whoever comes here to work.
The issue isn't really about th people that come here, it is about the elected politicians of all hues that have singly failed the British people by not implementing proper controls and integration policies. They have ALL been too soft in defending our interests.
Balanced immigration serving a genuine need, allied to sensible integration plans would reduce considerably the angst felt by those of us who are indigenous and now feel like a minority in our own country. Common sense really.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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SID
Yep read and re read howards pos
he said
NOT SENDING ANYONE HOME
so did you read it???
as you appear to want to
That's just being a pedant Keith, it's not worthy.
You know exaclty what Howard meant.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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no its about who do we send home?
illegals ok if we believe that ok thats fine
that it?
Yep
However, we should remember the BNP and UKIP want a different approach.