howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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certainly tried to keep that quiet, as usual people will be brought in as cheap labour for the most part with their dependants and housed in areas that already have reached breaking point with regards to health, education and social cohesion.
many of the reds admit openly that thet lost their safe seats because they did not listen to concerns about the issue.
new government, same stupidity.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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yep the reds got immigration wrong and managed it badly
but that said barryw's dave prior to the election run his campaign on statin as soon as he got in he wort sort it indicating numbers would reduce in a drastic way
in reality under this conservative led cobbled together govt the numbers have increased
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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When the Government talks of getting immigration down to tens of thousands a year, they mean non EU immigration.
These figures do not include EU immigration.
Millions of EU citizens could quite legally walk into Britain in one week and get a job or claim benefits by simply proving that they have looked for a job but couldn't find one.
Fortunately, not that many EU citizens come to claim benefits, as they could get these in their own country. But they do come to find jobs, or have already been recruited by an agency in their own country.
As Gordon Brown said while still PM, there is nothing preventing us from going to eastern Europe and finding work. Dave seems to agree with him.
I'll withhold my opinion.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Reg the immigration problem is trickey for any government, despite populist promises. Businesses want immigrants to man their businesses in London and all the big cities and they lobby with considerable power. The government is not keen to take on the business community. There are plenty of jobs to go round of the basic variety..restaurants etc etc.. this is where most of the immigrants slot in.
Alex is right..any amount of EU citizens can come here and find work. Cameron was extravagant with his promises during the election and essentially he cannot do anything about immigration levels from within the EU. He then, once in power, placed emphasis on immigrants coming from further afield but we have yet to see much of an improvement there..if any.
But with regard to fluidity of labour movement. There was an American or Canadian chap, a high flyer, on the BBC's Question Time a few nights ago. He said that one of the real handicaps the British had was a total lack of languages. We basically speak English and nothing else...but the way the world is going..said he... languages should be a part of every school curiculum and should be seriously learned. Then an English person from Dover or anywhere else could just as easily get a job in Paris or Gdansk as he could here. In the years to come it will be all about fluidity. In other words it doesnt have to be one way traffic but we have to grasp the nettle.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, everyone in Holland and Scandinavia can speak fluent English. The same applies to North America, Australia and New Zealand.
Jobs in these countries are much better paid than in Danzig.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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We English are generally very lazy as regards learning a foreign language; it should be part of the school curriculum, to start learning them as early as possible.
We have very little if any, control on EU immigration and most of our nurses/caring staff (which we need a lot of) come from outside the EU and I'd have thought we don't want to reduce them, unless those out of work here, wanted/would become, employed in those areas, but it seems, there's not much chance of that.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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hardly that important when as alex points out the amount of countries that speak english.
in india for example parents that can afford it insist that their children are taught all their school lessons in english.
it will always be the business language.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 104.....Agree.
Immigration unfortunately was the latest of Osbornes ill-concieved forecasts involving ` our`economic growth to be proved wrong.
All Osbornes forecasts have been wrong.
Private sector taking up Public sector job losses!!
His forecast of 2.5 % economic growth................expectation now being 0.7 % economic growth.
What`s the next forecast to fall by the way side?
Ollie will end up a little boy at the Dyke without fingers to spare.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes post 108 says it all
now roger is also agreeing immigration is required
yet in the tory parties pre general election leaflets they gave the impression theyt were sending all immigrants home
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Ah no Howard I wouldnt agree with that. English isnt the business language in Berlin or Paris or across Europe. The point is that some people in other countries speak some English..so they can come here and find work. But very few English say could find work in Paris, because clearly their daily language is French, fluent and fast, and they are not going to stop and translate in mid frantic morning, even if some of them and we can emphasise just some..speak English.
If an English person was fluent he/she could do it..so the job opportunities increase hugely. But go along to an interview with no French language and you wont get hired, so you fall at hurdle one.
Try watching a French film and see. I get all the French channels. I probably can do a little bit of pigeon French but overall they are talking away so fast i havent got a clue whats going on, and so it would be in a job in Paris or Geneva. I believe that languages could be very important for the future especially for increased opportunity.
Yes indeed Keef immigrants are required..thats the problem for political parties. They like to say the populist thing on one hand but are stuck because business demands immigrants. Only an hour ago on Radio FOUR Today programme..a leading scientist was complaining that our pharmaceutical research is not producing real advancements in recent years, and his emphasised serious point was that restricting the flow of international scientists is hampering research, and more importantly hampering the development of new drugs to meet the challenge of cancers etc.