Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#21
We all know that there are many clever forgers out there who can fake passports quite easily.
I can't believe this has happened, especially from Conservative Ministers - I am truly at a loss. I believe this is very serious; someone please tell me it isn't so.
Roger
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#22
I saw on Sky News last night during 'press preview' that one of the newspapers is carrying a development in this story today...yes indeed that Government Ministers gave the UKBA the nod to do it...ie.. To let Non-EU people through without checking at all. Damian Green being a Ministerial name mentioned. This is such an outrage that words fail a chap...
Now it seems Theresa May is making a statement in The House today. This story has already developed legs and someone's head should roll. May's head preferably.
After all that sanctimonous verbose bluster about immigration previously..to purposely do this is..well I will use that term again..an outrage.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#23
PaulB - you are suggesting that Theresa May had something to do with this. She did not. In fact she is furious and has suspended the officials responsible. The suggestion that they had ministerial approval may just be a smokescreen but if, and its a big if, Damian Green did give the nod then yes, the man should be sacked and, what is more should resign his seat in disgrace. Green always was a bit of a wet and is one of the few Europhile Conservative MPs.... I will not shed any tears for him is he goes.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#24
Theresa May and Damian Green.......Innocent until proven Guilty!...............But the Ministers Buffoon List is always ready and waiting!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#25
someone in the government will have to fall on their sword or be pushed onto it.
i don't believe that the border agency head took such a decision without being given the nod, my suspicion is that the home secretary will stay - dave needs her around to make him look good.
we don't know how long the policy of inviting everyone in ran for, more than a few weeks and word would have spread to all the organised crime chaps/chapesses that were being hunted down in their own country that an open invitation awaited them in our country.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#26
Shortly before and during the period when the entry checks to the UK were relaxed, several armed groups who Britain was at that time fighting, and to an extent still is, announced they would launch attacks in the West.
These statements were reported on mainstream news channels at the time, so must have been known to the security chiefs in Britain and to the competent ministries.
Britain was involved in armed conflict in various areas, there was every reason to assume that our security at home was at higher risk of retaliation.
As far as I am concerned, the Prime Minister and other cabinet ministers have acted in a treacherous way by not ordering increased security at our borders, but instead allowing the exact opposite to take place.
Adding to that, a week ago it was announced that, since 3 October, not one RN warship is at high readiness in our waters.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#27
LOL well Reg - even the most buffoonish Minister in the present government could not possibly do a tiny fraction of the the damage Gordon Brown did, even Cable and Huhne!
Keith Sansum1
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#28
baz;
have you not seen all your daves u turns, lack of leadership?
lets be fair poor old dave hes struggling to hold his own party together let alone the wider country.
lets hope teresa may and d green were not aware of this shambles
but i suspect they were fully aware
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#29
# 27.Yet again flippant and lacking credibility.......There aren`t any more important matters of state than keeping terrorism/terrorists out of Britain..............................
BBC Newsnight report.....Theresa May ...................All changes to entry procedures were made with Ministerial Authority.......
THeresa May reports to commons tomorrow......................Sword awaits ??????
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#30
My guess is that the Government will very soon drastically change the laws on immigration, starting with non-EU immigration, which will probably grind to a halt.
It's gone too far, and this latest episode has left many people shocked and deeply concerned.
Our internal security is at risk. Rather than the Government falling on their own swords, I think they will do the next best thing, and introduce some very strict immigration laws, and we may expect a harsh clampdown on people preaching hatred against us after coming over here and taking up abode.
It will become a matter of top priority.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#31
Reg - no there was no Minister approval, it is an allegation by a Union as a desperate attempt to defend its members and cannot be taken seriously. Theresa May was furious when she heard what happened.
As for 'flippant and lacking credibility' - well Mr 'I banned boom and bust' Gordon Brown was central to everything that created the bust we are currently in. You may choose to ignore the simple facts of what that man, the most incompetent chancellor and PM in our history, has done but history will not. A deluded buffoon if ever there was one.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#32
I agree with what you say about about Gordon Brown Barry, but not sure I can agree with what you say about no Ministerial involvement - sounds like passing the buck to me.
Even though I am deeply disappointed about this (an understatement) I can imagine it would surely have been given some kind of (ministerial) sanction to do so ?
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#33
Not necessarily Roger. We shall see. The likely reason is likely to be the same as we have seen with the HMRC scandal, governance problems arising from the botched re-organisation/merger of departments. Problems from that kind of thing can take a while to come to light.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#34
# 31...........Your rapid,knee jerk defence of Theresa May may be an Error of Judgement.
Your obsession/dislike/hate of Gordon will damage your health/rational.For the sake of your blood pressure calm down.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#35
I'm very calm Reg. - I still agree with Barry about GB - some people have either very short memories or in denial.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#36
Reg - I am quite calm thank you. My opinion of Brown is based on well established facts and the damage he actually did. We should all get angry at the damage he has done, his cruel deceit handing out dosh to all assundry without any regard to its sustainability in the real world and then enabling and participating in the wrecking of the economy so it has to be clawed back in cuts. A truly nasty and cruel man.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#37
if the ministers knew nothing of what went on it raises the issue of their total incompetence and fitness for the offices that they hold.
they have teams around them that advise them on everyday matters, i can only think that a blind eye or ear was turned.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#38
Howard - not necessarily. Ministers, all Ministers, depend on the Civil Service for information at the end of the day. The only other sources of information they have internally are whistle blowers. You surely have seen Yes Minister - that is too close to the truth for comfort.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#39
Given the rate Cameron is getting through ministers, our Charlie will be in the cabinet before the end of this parliament.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#40
not such a bad idea charlie has shown bags of enthusiasm unlike many of the current front line cabinet people, also the m.p. for neigbouring thanet south come across as someone that could go all the way to the top.