Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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We petition the Prime Minister to defy the EU and keep in place labour market controls on people from Romania and Bulgaria indefinitely and not to let these controls expire on December 31 2013 as he currently plans.
One hundred thousand signatures generates a debate in parliament
Its your country have your say
http://petitions.express.co.uk/Say-NO-to-new-EU-migrantsGuest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"With youth unemployment in Britain running at nearly a million, to facilitate a new major migration from Romania and Bulgaria would amount to a betrayal of young British people looking to get on the first rung of the jobs ladder.
A large new migration from Eastern Europe could also risk numerous other harmful effects including placing further strain on housing, public services, welfare and community cohesion. It must not be allowed to happen."
There is nothing to foreign except foreign itself; as they say?
Lets give a thought too, to all those ghouls and ghosties, skeletons and zombies, now that Halloween has past. Such seasonal employment can be very wearing.
And, levity aside. How could this miracle be brought about? Besides the practical impossibilities, who, I wonder, would gain from any of this?
We'll tak a cup o' UnKindshIP yet,
For auld lang syne.
Ah well, at least this gives The False Widow Spider a break.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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all a bit late in the day and our governments over the past 20 or more years just do as they are told.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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I dont know why you all fuss about them. People from these country already amongst Us. Not noticed ???
By the way some are really nice too. ;)
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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typical ukip tosh,kieth [and the d/express] scaremongering again.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I agree with Heike, forget the party line and stereotyping, and try talking to real people instead, you might find some very nice hard working 'immigrants' who are a credit to their countries and themselves and contribute a lot to the UK.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don't think that is the issue barry, people can be decent and hardworking irrespective of where they originate from.
the whole point is that we have 2. 4 million unemployed and public services are at breaking point.
should the scare stories materialise and large numbers arrive from the balkans in the new year then far right groups will have a field day.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I understand exactly what the forum members mean, I'm just doing my usual and trying to stop the cut and paste mentality from taking over. I feel that an awful lot of this is governmental demonisation of certain groups. If you check other posts, the unemployed are spoken of as lazy scroungers, then we are given the reason that we have unemployment is because we have too many immigrants, or the long term sick and disabled are a part of the problem and they make the welfare bill too high so the government penalises others by inventing the bedroom 'tax' (which isn't a tax) to try and claw money back, whilst at the same time local authorities are unable to provide their tenants with more suitable accommodation. I just get the feeling that if people stood back and thought for a minute, they might realise that the government might be using these groups as scapegoats to cover up their own shortcomings.
I don't pretend to have the answers, but some on here should forget 'immigrants', and try substituting 'people' or 'families' in their thought processes.
Just a thought...
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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Keith B,I have signed...Don't worry about Barrie N, Tom A,Brian D ,they are a very misguided minority.
Guten Tag,Heike List..Welkom.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Individual on the other forum seem to have a problem with cut and pasting to
Like fly's to a cow pat Funny that.
John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Exactly Howard, that is not the issue at all. Whilst Heike and Barrie are correct of course in that there are many decent immigrants, we should however still have the option to control the number of people coming here should we so desire. It is not about whether they are nice or not, in fact I`m sure that a lot of them are. To be honest, I don`t particularly care for a great number of our "own" people that leave much to be desired but we should still, should we so wish, have the right to manage immigration into this country in a correct and sustainable manner.
Brian, call it scaremongering if you wish, but the Labour party never exactly had a good track record with being acurate with numbers of immigrants did they? A few years back with Labour`s "open door" policy Blunkett forecast 13,000 eastern european immigrants would arrive here for the first two years and we now know of course that the real figure was 800,000. Perhaps this is one reason why we become scared and don`t trust governments any more?
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Keith B., try this for a concept.
Don't assume everything you read in your favourite newspaper is true, bear in mind that posters on the forum have their own agenda, political or otherwise, and if someone 'cut and pastes' their posts continually, assume they might not have actually formed their own opinion.
If I share an opinion about cut and paste mentality with someone else, why should that be different to you sharing an opinion with someone else on, say, immigration ? Cut and paste is a useful tool, but it becomes wearing when a lot of the 'opinions' on here are those of journalists who are paid by their employers to have leanings towards certain political parties, and just match the tribalism of the respective posters.
'Like fly's to a cow pat Funny that' (sic)...not really sure what thats supposed to mean, so I can't really respond to it, anyone make any sense of it ?
And Mr. Ripley, you will probably find that I'm part of a majority, whether or not misguided I couldn't really say, but I will repeat that certain of your party's supporters on here are doing you no favours at all.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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At least we can all agree that Brian is right to call it scaremongering, and again scaremongering, as it has long been the thrust of all UKIP-speak.
Has it ever mattered who was heard forecasting? And when did fortune-telling become an exact science?
The question remains:What wonders are to be wrought by (the soon to be?) mighty UKIP? It seems enough for you all to keep the fear-and-loathing-pot boiling.
Is this petition any more than a UKIP marketing exercise?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i bet you castigate them in your sleep tom in addition to every waking moment.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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At 11:13am and again at 15:34pm.
Yes Howard mine is a constant and incessant stream, and yet I suffer from splash-back, but I dare not get closer.
I am happy (nay, more than happy) to afford UKIP free-rein on your Forum Howard, just say the word.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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tom
a) it is not "my forum"
b) you are fairly critical of the main parties but totally vitriolic towards the one that doesn't have a single m.p therefore can't be blamed for anything. seems very strange to me.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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b) more of a reflection of UKIP taking over the forum Howard? I think that is where Tom is coming from.
Audere est facere.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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well there is also the concept which the Australians have. whoever wants to live and work here can bring money into the country.
The problem I see, is that people who come over, have access straight away to the wellfare system. But this isnt a issue just arose a view days ago. This is going back good 30 years or more.
Also this issue ( not alone), already starting from early education until the children leave school.
Many of them dont have a real choice. As many dont have the standard qualification to gain apprenticeships or a diploma.
I feel and stand by this point, that it is Government made issue european wide. Not just the UK.
Look at other EU countries, they have the exact same issue. Some already lowered the main income so it isnt attractive no more. So people move on to the next.
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Your grasp of written English has vastly improved since those pidgin English early postings of a few days ago, well done
Audere est facere.