Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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19 August 2010
13:0466181The noes presently seem to be in the ascendant on both Dover Forum and Dover Ferry Photos Forum but these are very limited samples and there is no way of telling if they are truly representative.
Perhaps a more reliable indication is that the electorate in Dover decisively rejected the privatisation plan offered by the Conservatives at the election before last. More difficult to tell at the latest election as both Gwyn and Charlie stated that they were adamantly against privatisation. Charlie won and then immediately produced a privatisation plan. No surprise there and I doubt that the electorate expected anything else so the privatisation issue may not have influenced their voting. With the disastrous state of the nation's finances, and the usual swing against the incumbent government out of sheer boredom with the same old faces, it was inevitable that there would be a huge swing to the Conservatives anyway so the privatisation issue may not have been of much relevance.
Both Charlie and DHB are continuously increasing the value of the carrots that they are dangling in front of Dovorians to tempt them to view privatisation favourably. Bob Goldfield is now offering an immediate cash settlement of £10m plus £20m in share entitlements in the new company. Charlie has acknowledged this by claiming that his campaigning on the issue has meant the community benefit has increased from some £10m towards £30m but states that it should be more like £50m.
If it can be proved that these sums will indeed be provided to Dover, then I would imagine that the Yes vote would be overwhelming. In the short term, Dover would benefit immensely. One downside is that the nation as a whole would lose an enormous amount of wealth built up over a very long period. The record on privatisation is that the assets are sold for roughly a quarter of what they cost the nation to build up, the current privatisation of the CTRL (HS1) being a perfect demonstration of this. Another downside is that the port will become a great deal more expensive to operate, with the new company needing to find a return on its investment and pay profits to shareholders, and may cease to expand or even decline. In the long term, Dover may stand to lose more than it gains in the short term.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 August 2010
13:2566183I think it is 'proving' against the point that Vic say that EVERYONE is against any sort of sale. (99.5% don't want ant sort of sale)
There is a good proportion that say that that the status quo (no pun intended!) isn't good enough and something needs to change. Doesn't necessarily need to be a sale, a major change in the Charter could be all that is required....
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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19 August 2010
16:1566190Still, Paul, to the point, it seems thus far the No's have prevailed on this thread!
Will you opt for the democratic solution?
Alec Sheldon
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19 August 2010
18:2466192No
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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19 August 2010
19:0666196NO
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 August 2010
19:0666197Alexander - but I have proved my point, it isn't a cut and dry NO from everyone.....
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 August 2010
19:5066199Well the no have it,just like at the Council meeting tonight,and I did not get up and say anything.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 August 2010
19:5566200kindly enlighten us vic, i have only been in about 10 minutes could not get to the meeting.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 August 2010
20:1866208I have done that Howard on the EX meeting blog of the DTC.
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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19 August 2010
20:2766209It is a emphatic "No" from me,I am in the same boat as Ian.But a question why should the ' Carpetbaggars' come out triumphant again.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 August 2010
20:3166210john
try not to be difficult, we have learned today that the top brass at the harbour board earn more than the prime minister and have a pension that will reflect their final salary.
hope that makes you feel better.
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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19 August 2010
20:3966211Ah Howard,I can sleep easily knowing the world has an equlibrium,I dont think
19 August 2010
20:4166212Paul - if it really is 95% saying no that really is a proper full on majority - just because it isn't 100% doesn't defile the result. there is never a 100% agreement!
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 August 2010
21:0366215Bern - the 99.5% is Vic saying that 2000 people signed a petition vs he said I won't find 100 people in the whole of East Kent.....
THE OVERALL RESULT..... I trust people on here and if someone asked their other half or family I believe them:
YES 12
NO 15
On the Dover Ferries Forum:
YES 7
NO 17
Therefore... neither party can really say they have the VAST majority of the vote as there is a good split of views.
Vic - you challenged me to find 100 in the whole of East Kent, I have 19 YES out of about 60 people who replies so that should indicate that a huge number can be found....
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 August 2010
21:0866216Paul you lost mate just take it on the chin and say Vic was right.
Just to add to this ,at the meeting tonight the mayor aske the cllrs and the public to put their hand up if they would like the port sold off,and sorry again with about 60 in the room not one hand went up.Not even Bob Goldfield put his hand up and he is the Chief Executive of the port
19 August 2010
22:2866238Yes.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 August 2010
22:3166239welcome back bob, someone said that you were dead, i replied that you always looked like that.
19 August 2010
22:3366241Perhaps he just needed a stiff drink Howard!
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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27 August 2010
19:5167467 The dirty, filthy and sad side of Dover harbour board. This represent`s the derelict scene which British Rail would present when wanting to close something down, and demolish it. That was in the nationalised era. Today in the privatised era, the railways have been much modernised, with alot of heavy investment. Nationalisation was a failure, from day one in 1948 to privatisation again. Too much government interference in an industry they knew nothing about. Or knew about but deliberatly wrecked! I wouldn`t like to vote either way on this one, but I do have my own thought`s.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
27 August 2010
19:5367468no
