30 October 2010
22:5177590So Vic your in favor of that so could head of dover H B who was brought in to smash up our port like he did at Stan-stead Airport no one from the DHB will tell you what has happened to the money from the Ferry Companies two build T 2 which were on the table in 1964 and then there is the pension short fall, and Brian you and half of dover Forum was there today along with about 200 other people from Dover, there must be some change for this town because the last lot were a disgrace even Gwen did not apologize to the people of dover he thought it was a god given right to take all that money if that had been you or I we would be serving 10 Years. All Politicians are the same they only go in it for the money not the glory but we have to let them try to get things right and if they don't then its by by.
Keith Sansum1
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30 October 2010
23:0277598Alan
strongly disagree with you.
not all politicans are in it for the money.
Firstly,i' v said before there needs to be a review of LEGAL MP's wages whch are far to high, and all the expenses that go with them.
but that said there are good dedicated MP's from all 3 political parties.
And on a local level even more so there are politicans from all 3 parties and the independent party working for a better Dover
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 October 2010
23:1477606It is hard for me to get my points over, all I am is a nobody just a person who loves the town he was born in only being way when in the Army and working over seas but even then coming back as soon as I can ,all my family bar my son who I have not seen for years have moved away and made a good life for them selfs. I have no platform to talk from and even the local press think I am one big joke,but I am not,some of what I have said about Dover in the pass has happen or not happen .There has been times that both mywife and myself could have packed the old case and gone but we have not(NOTyet anyway).
I know I am right about the port there is a very good point in thinking that with bigger ships on their way and less of them there will be no need for T2 there will be more births then ships soon,all that will be needed is that parts of the port will need a deeper seabed. But it will go if we the public of dover do not stand up and fight for it,and even then it could still go but you will be then turn round and say"We done our best to safe it.
Do not be taken in by this £10 for each share it is just a cover up to make you feel that you are part of the port. If you want to sell it off then go along with the DOVER Harbour Board one, they are working in the open about selling the port off and the town will be better off by beween £5million and £10million pounds on the very day that it is sighed over. Our MPs way if it goes ahead it will not be in our life time that we see anykind of return if ever for your own money and the town.
And also "Why are we buying back a port that is already ours by A ROYAL Charter.
30 October 2010
23:1577607But Keith If You were in Power would you take 200 pound a week or would you take the going Rate and travail to London every day on that wage because there are people doing that every week from dover.and they are not in politics.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 October 2010
23:1677608agree with you keith, i think that most enlist for the right reasons, sadly some get side tracked and get seduced by the perks.
did anyone see anne widdecombe on strictly jcb dancing?
30 October 2010
23:2077609Keith,
1. There's far too many of the buggers. The US congress has 435 members and the senate 100 members. How come we need 646 MPs and 744 members of the House of Lords with their noses in the trough?????
2. I note that at a national level at least we have two parties (plus the blessed Frank Field) working for a better Britain!
30 October 2010
23:2377611Vic I thought it was to stop it going abroad because if the French get there hands on it and go on strike in France then that could come here two
causing more problems.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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30 October 2010
23:2477612Alan
I don't know if i'v misunderstood your posting, but if your saying local polticians are travelling up to london and rather than claimng £200 they charge high expenses i think you are confused over MP's over payment and our local polticians
We should encourage local polticians
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 October 2010
23:3877614Alan one way or the other the money will come from off shore. And i am not in agreement with the DHB and told them so at many meetings.I say again there is no need to sell the port off to anyone,but if it is the wish,s of the public of Dover to do that and I know it is not but if it was then do it by the DHB that way you will see areturn in your life time. By the way the blues did say that when they get in power that local public would get the vote on things that were happing in their area,why are we then not geting the right to vote.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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30 October 2010
23:4477618Interestng point on local voting
nteresting,,,,maybe one of locals will tell us more.
BOB;
believe me im no great fan of the house of lords so that could go tommorow.
on H.O.C. The MP has a big area to cover, but I understand this cobbled together govt is looking a ways it can hang on to power by moving boundaries and reducing MP's not in the interests of MP reduction but purely to hang on to power
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30 October 2010
23:5377620Keith my understanding is that the Boundary Commission for England is an advisory Non-Departmental Public Body funded by the Cabinet Office.
The commissions are required to undertake a general review every 8 to 12 years in order to ensure electoral equality - i.e. that the sizes of the electorates in each constituency are as similar as possible (currently about 70,000 electors, typically reflecting a total population of 90,000).
Seems all above board to me?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 October 2010
23:5477621Yes it is Keith and one that is not taken up till now we was told we would get the vote on the port at the time of the las Gen/Election if they got into power they got in so why are we not geting the vote on the port.
Anyway even with my clocks now put back it is geting late so I AM OFF TO BED.
DT1- Location: Dover
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31 October 2010
04:0777623I like this idea of the local people owning the port. If it is going to be privatised then surely this is a no brainer.
The one fundamental concept I am still trying to understand is who we are buying the port from and who/where my £10 will go to exactly?
I apologise for not being up to speed on this!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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31 October 2010
08:2977625BOB;
As you say its an advisory body only, therefore the govt can take no notice and do its own thng.
And the conservatives have already said and outlined how boundaries will alter and have less MP's Im all for less MP's as long aswe dont lose the accountability
and the tories have also made it clear the seats they want to change
which will, if achieved make it easier for them to hold on to power.
I know Bob that your fully aware of this.
Take that together with the pumping n loads of Tory lords to make sure not to many object, and you can see where it's all leading
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Ross Miller
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31 October 2010
08:4577630"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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31 October 2010
08:5177631Keith every government puts loads of its own into the Lord's at the first opportunity - so no news there
Though to pick up on Bob's point:
House of Commons needs to be reduced to 450 MPs max
House of Lord's needs to become an elected Chamber with no more than 225 seats
The final court of appeal should be the Supreme Court and the Law Lords should sit there rather than in the Lord's.
The Bishops have the various church bodies that they should sit on
As for MP's pay frankly it is too low not too high, particularly when compared to other legislatures around Europe - if we cut the number of MPs we can pay them appropriately
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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31 October 2010
08:5877632DT1 the current situation is:
The port is a Trust Port and owned by the State
Liked other state owned enterprises the government of the day can choose to sell it off and the proceeds of the sale go into the coffers of the Exchequer.
As Vic and Alexander D point out there are alternatives to the proposed sale; 2 of which would be -
do nothing as it is making money
change the existing Royal Charter and associated rules to allow the Port to not only borrow money, but also to set up and run a charitable trust for the town
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31 October 2010
10:0077646From a simple Deal/Dover resident, Ross's no 2 alternative, sounds like a perfect solution for everyone. I am sure someone will tell me I am wrong and are entitled to do so but in my opinion its all about which angle you are coming from. I believe this alternative will benefit more than just a few, that can afford to invest in the port and I am still not convinced that overseas won't be involved with any sell off.
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DT1- Location: Dover
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31 October 2010
10:0077647Thanks Ross.
So we are buying it from the state. So this is a sort of tax on choosing the way things are run then?
If this is 'big society' I can't wait for the concept to be applied to all publicly owned property and services.
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31 October 2010
10:1277650is the so called "big society"big enough to sell it to the french or the arabs.