Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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3 November 2010
16:4678312what's up Jimmy?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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3 November 2010
16:4678313The other point which seems to have been missed is that we are trying to BUY the port, not sell it!
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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3 November 2010
16:4778314Peter
your right, we should alllisten to debate
independent i am
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
3 November 2010
16:4778315right ive made my mind up,i am all my tenners stay in my pocket.that means that ive got control of my money.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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3 November 2010
16:5178317Thanks Ross for all your info.
And if only Alexander had bothered to read it all and understood as Peter said that the group want to buy the port not sell it then this thread would be 3 pages long not 12.
3 November 2010
16:5678321Ross ,
I am still displaying the abilities of a thicko!!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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3 November 2010
17:3078322Jimmy I am happy, as I am sure Peter is too, to try to explain anything you are unsure of
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3 November 2010
21:2478354Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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3 November 2010
21:5078358Well I guess that sort of money somewhat eclipses the amount required to restore TS Dover. Current estimates of £13million
-a drop in the ocean!
This is, after all, as I have previously stated a big society project. What an interesting time to launch the 'Dover Steamship Company'.
I'll keep you all posted.
Never give up...
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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3 November 2010
22:4578370Jimmy
The Peoples Port bid is offering a price of £400m to buy the Port
The government takes 50% of this - £200m
The other £200m is vested into the Port Company as working capital as the Trust Port (DHB) no longer exists once the sale is completed.
So the net consideration to the government is the £200m, this process is all clearly spelt out in the Ports Act 1991
I hope this makes it a bit clearer
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 November 2010
22:5978378very clearly put ross, the problem i am finding with chatting to people in the town is that they see any investment as money down the drain.
of course they will never get a return, however the town could gain and the townsfolk would have a say in who are the topdogs at the port.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 November 2010
23:0878380The government needs to see that the Port company will be viable after privatisation, hence the working capital being included in the bid, Jimmy.
3 November 2010
23:2678382Thank you all, I am slowly emerging from the fog!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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4 November 2010
00:2078388Ross, it's pretty obvious that I have to return here on this thread, as you leave me no other choice!
I understand full well what is in the port proposal of Charlie Elphicke MP, having read the page as I already have stated. My last two posts simply state that Charlie is proposing to SELL our Port, the last post specifying that the sum he asks for is 400 million pounds, of which half would go to the Treasury. Are you trying to declassify me?
Hence, Charlie wants to sell the Port for the same price as DHB does. However in his election campaign he pledged that he was against Port privatisation and that he believed that Dover Port should remain a State asset.
Peter Garstin, to buy the Port implies that it must be sold! A port cannot be bought if it is not sold.
Charlie intends raking in several hundred thousand quid from Dovorians, and the rest of the money, almost 400 million pounds, from companies and investors, who would become the new owners.
I assume that if now Ross tries telling me that these investors will not be owners, but creditors, I will be responding that Charlie will have a hard rime getting the port to repay them the money, and at the same time paying Dover Town money for regeneration, and at the same time paying a pension fund, and at the same time building T2 in Western Docks, and at the same time paying the creditors a profit and the interest .....
Ross, I am only stating what Charlie's proposal would imply. Incidentily, I read the many representations, and the comments added to them. I know all about the many proposals, of DHB, and of the many who sent representations, even though their names are not included.
The confidentiality prevents me from giving details, including those concerning my own representation and the added comments, but I am not ignorant of what it is all about!
May-be we should wait to see what the Secretary of State decides, and accept the fact that meanwhile Charlie has jumped up and proposed to Downing Street that the Port should be sold after all, for 400 million pounds, and that he had the audacity to claim he was acting with the favour of Dover's community.
Really, Ross, I hope that Howard doesn't tell me off for this long post! But I can't just let myself be told that I don't read anything about the Port and the many proposals!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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4 November 2010
00:2578389I give up as this is really a case of "you can lead a horse to water..."
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Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2010
00:2978390Ross, give up mate and read all the other post's. If I were you wait until things pan out a little.
Patience is a virtue you know.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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4 November 2010
00:4178391I know Ian
I shall wait and see...
I am however curious how someone can sell something that they do not own, but maybe I am just nitpicking
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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4 November 2010
00:4678392At the end of the day nothing said on this forum is going to influence the outcome one jot. Charlie's view - and mine - is that if the port is to be sold it should be sold to us, representing any townsfolk who wish to be so represented. If the government decides it should stay as a Trust port, that's fine too, although that will not deliver the benefits Dover needs.
My contribution to this thread has been intended to inform and perhaps to persuade a few waverers. I too shall now give up and wait for events to unfold.
Anyone wishing to continue the debate is welcome to do so in person, at our watering hole.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2010
00:5278393Well said Peter, I may take the long walk down.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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4 November 2010
00:5478394Me too, even though I don't drink; is your coffee any good Peter?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
