Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Yes that’s the one .
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,053
Captain Haddock wrote:According to the ONS, in 2020 the average UK salary was £38,600 for a full-time role and £13,803 for part-time role.
Hang on a mo, I thought you posted that "In 2021, the average salary for the UK was £25,971"?
In passing, I notice that there doesn't appear to be any rules by which members of the Chamber of Shipping have to abide, whereas (courtesy of Article 4 of the Port Services Regulation - which I assume we've not repealed) you may be required to meet minimum standards regarding your good repute in order to pilot and moor vessels.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
Debate now - Labour saying that memo went around government - with advance notice of the sackings (and tactics) and that government raised no opposition.
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
Hi Button,
As Professor Joad would have said 'it depends what you mean by salary', and indeed 'average' - do we use mean or median?
e.g. Mean UK full time salary 2020 was £38.600 whilst median was £31,461
The figure of £25,971 includes, I believe, part time employment.
(Plus the ONS state that the 2021 data was impacted by the Government’s furlough scheme and other pandemic disruptions).
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Did anyone see Our Mp during the debate today .?I would have thought ,if she were there the TV would have focused on her.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Started well enough but went somewhat off topic.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Thank you Neil .Quite a good speech from Dover MP .Sad she mentioned the bully boy tactics.Rather like being in a school playground.Sometimes in politics one has to expect that behaviour . best to ignore .
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,919
I think that the sacked workers were making the point that the MP has supported anti workers rights in the past so didn't like her double standards.
The amusing part was when they chanted
SHAME ON YOU
She joined in clapping until she realised it was her they were chanting about lol.
Other local conservatives who would have supported the MPs views were present
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Don’t presume Keith .What ever political party one supports what has happened to the 800 seafarers is disgusting.I see the petition is doing well .Nothing in my Daily paper today .If so it’s hidden away in a small column.When these non British workers are being flown in for so many weeks at a time ,what good is it to our local economy .Its the principle and as I have just said to my Son we are going backwards.its going to get worse .Meetings and meetings reports all come to nothing.Of course the workers will take to the streets .Where is DHB.?Lorries stacked yet again .
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,874
Even if sailings do have the ability to continue from Dover in the near future hopefully the port staff refuse to aid the sailings and keep the ships tied up. DFD must be extremely busy, long may that situation continue to hit P&O financially.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Listening to Paul Scully on the Today programme this morning was almost nauseous. Repeatedy asked by Nick Robinson why, if they government was so appalled by P&O's actions, they don't withdraw the taxpayers' money that will go to DP World as subsidies for their involvement in the London freeport.
He blethered and obfuscated. Presumably taking his inspiration from the haystack windbag that is his boss. But, of course, he couldn't say they will take such action. The P&O situation is just an unavoidable consequence of their strategy. And cosying up to the UAE and the Saudis is a big part of that.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Jan Higgins wrote:Even if sailings do have the ability to continue from Dover in the near future hopefully the port staff refuse to aid the sailings and keep the ships tied up.
I rather think that P&O has its own (shore-based) mooring gangs - that come under Unite, IIRC.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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P&O claims its financial settlement offered to its sacked workers is ‘believed to be the largest compensation package in the British Marine Sector’ - worth £36,541,648.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,919
Still could have sat around the table to try to resolve this .
Instead they have had a PR disaster
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victor matcham- Registered: 5 Oct 2021
- Posts: 1,073
Bad from all the staff and Dover but they will get away with it because they are not a English company any more, yes you can boycott them but by this time next year it will be old news and most of the public will carry on getting on their ships.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,874
victor matcham wrote:Bad from all the staff and Dover but they will get away with it because they are not a English company any more, yes you can boycott them but by this time next year it will be old news and most of the public will carry on getting on their ships.
I hope you mean 'for' the staff rather than "from".
A lot of the public will forget but I think a lot more will boycott for quite a very long time unless there is a huge change in how P&O decide to run the company. As Keith, me and many others have said it is a PR disaster.
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