Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
"Hire and fire supported by this govt made it that much easier ."
Presume you mean 'fire and rehire' which this is not (the clue being they are not rehiring!)
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
Simon Jones@SimonJonesNews
Labour will force an emergency vote in Parliament on Monday on the sacking of 800 P&O workers. It's demanding that the government takes action to outlaw the firing and rehiring of staff.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
As I keep saying, if Brexit can't be used to stop this, then people will rightly ask what was the point? One of the so called benefits was the ability to 'take back control' of our legislation. So, to borrow the government's own catchphrase, "get on" with stopping it. If, however, government doesn't WANT to stop it - they just just come out and say so.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,919
I think that's a fair comment Neil .
At end of day many countries States they would defend Ukraine if they were invaded .
It looks now like they were just Hollow words
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,874
In a way I wish it was simply fire and rehire at least the sacked P&O staff would have the opportunity of still having a job however unjust that would seem.
As far as P&O are concerned their public relations side stinks and nobody or company should use them again. Unless I have missed it DHB have been very quiet on the sackings but I guess they are still happily raking in money from the company.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Yes DHB have been very quiet .I have written to The Leader of DDC and the Chief
Executive of DDC .
The knock on effect will be seen for many months.Later I will write to the Leader of KCC .
The petition is doing very well .
Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 346
Reginald Barrington wrote:"Hire and fire supported by this govt made it that much easier ."
Presume you mean 'fire and rehire' which this is not (the clue being they are not rehiring!)
Rubbish - I know several P&O staff that were made redundant and have already accepted their same job without a pension, lower pay and a watered down contract.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
Dover Pilot wrote:Rubbish - I know several P&O staff that were made redundant and have already accepted their same job without a pension, lower pay and a watered down contract.
Yup, And it's nothing new. In 2015, the Government introduced reforms to public service pensions, meaning most civil servants were moved from classic, classic plus, premium and nuvos into the alpha pension scheme. Those within 10 years of their normal pension age remained in their old schemes with 'transitional protection'.
My son is an 'academic' and proposed cuts to the pension offered to hundreds of thousands of university staff will leave a typical lecturer more than a third worse off in retirement, according to union analysis.
What people have to realise is that much of what we think of as 'normal' and 'expected' is actually an unsustainable blip in history.
For example when Old Age Pensions were introduced in 1909, life expectancy from birth was 52 and the average pensioner who lasted long enough to get a pension only survived for <3 years.
My own father, like many others, spent almost as long retired as he did working with a Civil Service pension of half his final years salary rising in line with inflation.
I plan to do the same. God knows how it will be paid for!
The P&O 'problem' merely makes local a much wider problem.
As for the 'pay' side of things why should a cleaner on a ferry be earning multiple times what the cleaner in my local Wetherspoons does? Or the guy pulling pints? Or the person working in the on-board shop?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,874
"As for the 'pay' side of things why should a cleaner on a ferry be earning multiple times what the cleaner in my local Wetherspoons does? Or the guy pulling pints? Or the person working in the on-board shop?"
Unless things have completely changed from when my husband worked as a steward (prior to becoming an officer) he was employed to do all of the above when and if required regardless of his 'normal' job. I also understand they no longer have the opportunity to go home at the end of their shift/watch so certainly deserve more than the equivalent shore job.
In some ways being one of our local ferry workers is or was a good well paying job but sadly it seems all big business is now slowly and unfairly going back to the them and us situation of years ago.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,053
The small matter of who's going to drive the things: "It is not known how many P&O workers have received the job offers, but i understands that captains and officers with Pilot Exemption Certificates, are among those who have been contacted." Left hand down a bit, Mr Phillips.
(Not my real name.)
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
Maltese firms, Jersey contracts, Dubai owners the only thing missing is mention of the Cayman Islands?
It will be interesting to see what is said in Parliament this afternoon other than 'something must be done' and it's a'l the fault of the Government.................
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
The only P&O Master with whom I'm personally acquainted will continue in his current role unaffected by the recent shenanigans. He did, however, post a Facebook update saying how sorry he was to be losing such a great crew that he regarded as family.
Some of the responses were not exactly flattering.
The older ones (of my generation, now retired) all seem to be appalled by the recent events. We all lived and worked through the Herald disaster and the following seamans' strike in 1988. This is a totally different kettle of fish.
It's also worth asking how come foreign crews in Hull, Liverpoool and Dover were ready and waiting in minibuses to be transported onto the ships once the sacked workers were successfully evicted. Did they meet Pritti Patel's points criteria for foreign workers?
Don't be fooled by the goverment's collective hand wringing or Natalie's desperate attempt to show herself as doing her bit for the local community. If even the Cap'n can work out it's a con, then you can be sure it is.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
Just out of interest I looked at the job of Border Force Officer (which used to be an extremely well paid job when it was the Immigration Service).
Here's Dover:-
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=border+forcer+employment&ibp=htl;jobs&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwigprmts9f2AhUBgFwKHfNbCjIQkd0GegQIGRAB#fpstate=tldetail&htivrt=jobs&htiq=border+forcer+employment&htidocid=p9o6rgOAr9UAAAAAAAAAAA%3D%3D&sxsrf=APq-WBvZoFUBMIHzt5zQxiU_Qi2OJGz4mg:1647872477916
£24,883 to £27,372 Plus up to 49% shift working allowance (average is 15-30%)Shiftworking- Full time.
(According to the ONS, in 2020 the average UK salary was
£38,600 for a full-time role and £13,803 for part-time role).
“Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.”
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Well done to those marching in London today.The petition is growing in numbers.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
This petition Sue? (From RMT & Nautilus)
To: Prime Minister Boris Johnson
Save P&O Jobs
The UK government must urgently act to stop DP World and P&O Ferries' sacking of 800 workers and replacing them with cheaper labour. Workers must be reinstated immediately – and P&O Ferries must face serious consequences.
And they must make new laws so no worker can be treated like this ever again, including a bill to end fire and rehire.
I'd seriously love to know how any Government could fulfill any of their wish-list.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Yes that’s the one .I suppose the parent company involved in Golf?? I smell a rat.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
You mean this Sue?
Dubai’s DP World is to become the title sponsor of golf’s European Tour with record-breaking prize money revealed for the upcoming 2022 campaign.
The new look DP World Tour will see total prize money break through the $200 million mark for the first time, with a new minimum prize fund of $2m for all tournaments solely sanctioned by the DP World Tour.
While the 2022 DP World Tour Championship – the season finale and final Rolex Series tournament of the year – will have a $10m prize pot, the first European Tour event in history outside the Majors and WGCs to feature an eight-figure prize fund.
Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, group chairman and CEO of DP World, said: “We both have a global mindset, are committed to inclusivity, and invest in new technologies to stay competitive – attributes which today become the fundamental principles of the DP World Tour. As the leading provider of smart logistics solutions worldwide, we will use our people, assets, and connectivity to help grow the Tour further and change what’s possible in golf.”
On the plus side - at least they are 'committed to inclusivity' and 'investing in new technologies' so they can't be all bad?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,063
Debate begins 16.30. Freeview Parliament Channel 232.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
